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Buckley_HF
Senior Contributor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

Hearing basis is on fire in central IL and IN. Anyone confirm any moves locally today? Also Ck-Cn spread is getting monstrous. Almost 50 cents. Tight old stocks. Who knew?
Farmerjoe79
Senior Contributor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

Basis last week were -2 now they are +15. I think Vr was right demand for corn is dying.
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GoredHusker
Senior Contributor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

What's the difference in the cash to cash?  From what I see on the July, the cash even with basis improvement is just about the same as last week.  I find it somewhat ironic that everyone always just wants to talk about exports when in essence it makes up a pretty small percentage of U.S. corn demand.  Wheat is a different story.  We basically have to export half of out annual supply just to keep bins from bursting.  If crude oil continues the path it's on today, corn goes lower plain and simple.  We've already broke the meats, and now it appears we're trying to break the energies.  If this happens, exports really won't mean much.

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Mizzou_Tiger
Senior Advisor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

Exports might be a small percentage......but it is typically viewed as the last small percentage......and when supplies are tight......its what moves the market........
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Mizzou_Tiger
Senior Advisor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

I find it ironic people will use exports as the reason grains can go down......but not the reason they can go up........
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GoredHusker
Senior Contributor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

I don't think many people see exports causing the price of corn to drop two bucks since last August.  Most are analyzing the glut of ethanol we have which is the number one user of corn.  They're also watching placements and such for livestock which is the number two user of corn.  While I can't speak for any other areas than my local one, the corn merchandisers here are a little nervous about ethanol plants selling corn back to them.  For the most part, the feed numbers are pretty well known into fall.  However, the ethanol numbers are still a moving target.  Crude has broke significantly.  If Europe continues to screw around over there, the dollar value will gain strength which will put a lid on crude prices.  The national average for gas is roughly 20 cents lower than it was a year ago, yet we're still not seeing much of a pick up in demand.  Our economy and Europe's economy will have a much larger affect on commodity prices than exports.  Locally, wheat is 71 cents cheaper than corn.  By July when new crop wheat hits, the bid widens to wheat being 81 cents cheaper than corn. 

 

I'm not arguing old crop corn won't get higher.  I'm just not convinced it rallies much on the futures market.  However, there are still plenty of pitfalls that could cause things to not get much better.  New crop corn has been in a bear market since September making lower highs and lower lows while old crop has basically been in a channel since September.  We'll eventually get some sort of weather spike, but can it be sustained?  I read the wheat tour numbers.  Wow, how things can change in twelve short months.  Last year, they came up with 37.4 bushels.  This year, they came up with 49.  We had two relatively poor wheat years in a row in Kansas.  This year looks to be a bumper crop.  Will the same happen in corn? 

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FARM4FOOD
Veteran Contributor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

meats what the beef and pork boys in my neighborhood are building as fast as they can as far as wheat fo feed goes the beef boys tell me if you want to finish beef corn is king all the wheat in my neck of the woods goes into Kellogs and Post cerial Chicago needs to get a clue

 

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Hobbyfarmer
Honored Advisor

Re: Floor Talk May 4

Mosty any freely traded large market is priced on the margin. The margin is a % of 5 %.

 

 5 % more of the product than need and there is a price collapse.

 

5% less than the market wants and the sky is with in reach. 6% and the sky is the limit.

 

Just for instance the oil market is flooded but there has been a precieved shortage of POTENTIAL fuel if IRAN/Obama should

 

do something stupid. When and IF that worry should subside the price of oil will be closer to $75 or less.

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