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From the parlor pit 9-02
Haven't had much time lately to be on here.
Lots of interesting things going on for sure. Dairy is sucking wind real bad right now. All over I am hearing some real horror stories.
THe week of Aug. 18th for the first time ever Dairy cow slaughter outpaced beef cow slaughter.
How big a deal is this? Well 60,968 dairy cows were slaughtered while 60, 578 beefers were sent to the packer. Now consider that the beef herd is 4 times the size of the dairy herd and you get some real mismatched culling rates.
TO you corn farmers this means demand destruction. This is also interesting in light of these huge cull numbers beef hamburger is still historically high priced. Butter last month was often featured for 1.50 a pound. That is now a distant memory, as it hits toward the 2 dollar mark. Cheese prices have risen steadily for the last 6 weeks both on the CME and in the grocery stores. The thing is that consumption has alsobegun to slow. As that happens even tho we have historically low supplies many grocers are very concerned about taking the hit on having left over inventory.
And just when you think you have had every curve ball thrown at ya you could think of Iowa is now testing all out of state milk trucks for allfatoxins in the milk. Apparently one tested above the legal limit that came from an area with very high allfatoxin reports. And remeber that when damaged corn goes into an E plant the ddg's come out with an even higher concentration. So DDG's are becoming very highly suspect according to one source I talked to.
Finally a very good article from brand X.
Nowhere to Turn for Dairies
The dairy industry is broken, says John Traweek, here beside one of the pens that used to hold hundreds of milking cows at his Texas dairy. (Photo: Richard Rodriguez)
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Drought, soaring feed costs, shrinking credit lines and red ink box in dairies.
Nationally, dairy customers are the most stressed of all the Farm Credit System’s agricultural customers, says Bill York, CEO of AgriBank, based in St. Paul, Minn.
Corn and soybean farmers have crop insurance to fall back on if crops fail. But dairy producers will struggle to find enough feed to get through the next year, and will pay dearly for it if they find it.
“There will be a lot of creativity in putting together rations in the coming months,” York says. “And there will be need for increased operating loans to cover those costs.”
In California, Texas and Idaho dairy country, anti-lender sentiment is high amid shrinking credit lines. Some producers claim that lenders have withdrawn support for the dairy business and are too quick to move troubled dairies into special-asset status.
“Lone Star Land Bank courted a lot of dairy loans in 2006, but they’ve decided to exit the dairy industry,” says Darren Turley of the Texas Association of Dairymen.
Wells Fargo, one of the nation’s largest dairy lenders, disputes claims that it has withdrawn its support from the dairy industry.
“Wells Fargo has banking relationships with individual people and businesses, not industry groups,” says bank spokesman Gabriel Boehmer. “Wells Fargo remains committed to dairy producers throughout the U.S., including California, whose businesses and strategies appear to be viable over the long term. Wells Fargo believes that successful dairy producers will recognize that the risk profi le of this industry has changed and will make appropriate adjustments to succeed.”
Herd liquidations and dairy closures aren’t always because the lender didn’t do its job, says Mitchell Harris, CEO of AgTexas Farm Credit Services. “A lot of lending and dairy business models were not designed to handle the level of challenge we’re seeing in the dairy industry,” he says.
But Harris also urges producers not to paint all financial institutions with the same broad brush. “We haven’t foreclosed on a dairy since AgTexas was formed in 1999,” he says.
While AgTexas is still making loans to dairies, it’s busy counseling worried dairy producers, Harris says. The lender has used USDA loan guarantees to help some of its dairy borrowers work through the tough times.
“If you’re working with a borrower who has a challenged situation, the worst thing you can do is pull the operating line,” Harris says. “There are a lot of reasons why you want to keep that line of credit in place. It’s not just about compassion. As a lender, you need to consider the impact of caring for and preserving the cattle while helping the borrower to preserve as much equity as possible. If the herd husbandry is not adequate, the value of the dairy herd can deteriorate by 50% in a matter of hours or days.”
It ain't good folks.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Look at the bright side JR, when you make it to 2013, your margins will be tremendous. It is shame that the consumer won't be able to afford as much milk/cheese/etc. but margins will be good for you finally now that you finally burned out the ineffecient financial managers in your business. The banks should have done this in the 2009 meltdown for dairy. Plus, dairy can easily now blame all the food inflation on those rich subsidized grain farmers. 🙂
JR...if you want to get even more frustrated...calculate what the insurance subsidy per thousand (around 50%) and then think of how that would of helped a dairyman.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Yep Time the banks didn't want to get the house in order then becasue they had overvalued so much collateral they couldn't even begin to balance the books. So they kicked the can down the road. I wonder what the real value of most banks prtfolio is?
AS to huge margins coming.............well I am not as hopeful as I once was. we can't seem to get ahead of costs.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
So....what's new? The dairy industry has been it's own worst enemy for my entire lifetime. The constant low prices followed by financial stress followed by herd liquidations/milk shortages followed by high prices followed by herd expansion followed by...well you get the point.
It looks to me like dairy can hedge a decent profit through the fall of next year if they can raise most or all of their feed inputs. Does $20 milk and $6 corn work for you? Just asking....
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Great points Patriot....when you can just build a factory with 6000 cows, import the labor, it is just too easy to over-expand. Much like chickens, and now hogs, vertical and lateral integration has never produced many profits over the long-term. Sure, a few guys get huge wages for managing a few million hogs, but the companies have never produced a consistent ROE that is close to a diversified grain/livestock farm. Dairy is the same I suppose, everyone's ego thinks if they control enough cows they can make money. Doesn't work for airlines, or Pilgrims Pride. Hasn't worked for dairy either.
Real profit comes from managing the input cost and the output values at the right TIME. Anybody can milk a cow, right JR?
Well off to mass, probably stirred the pot enough this morning already. 🙂
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Time: I agree with you, when I was a kid, most all farms had pigs, chickens and milk cows. You can count the farmers on one hand have all three of these today. Drive up and down the country roads now, very few do the same as before.
I torn a old dairy barn down and gave what good lumber was in it to the local Amish community. The Amish farmer got rid of the cows and now are milking goats. Even they don't want bunt head with the big farmer. No pun intended.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Well patriot yea 20 dollar milk and 6 corn will work only one problem..............................
Neither of those are the numbers I am working with!
GOt 17.01 for my sept 1 milk check and I had to start buying corn and guess what? It is 301 a ton or 8.45/ Bu. !
So in the real world guess what you can't hedge a profit at those levels. Heck you can't even hedge break even!
And Don't forget these hot days have had an adverse effect on dairymans production also. But guess what? No one is mailing me a check for lost milk production!
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Actually Time I am more frustrated with the dairyman who want the GOverment system that grain farmers have. Yea this sucks right now but this to shall pass.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
I want to preface these remarks by saying that dairy is not something I know much about and my perceptions may be out of date or just wrong.
But my understanding is that the US Government actually had its policy, by offering higher support prices to milk in other areas, to move the production from the tradtional midsize midwestern diversified farms, to large farms in urban states like California.
Didn't it make more sense for the government to let the market decide without intervention, and then we would have more midwestern dairies, still, and these would be in better shape to weather the ups and downs since they would grow their own feedstocks, and probably keep a reserve like my father and grandfather did, and also they would get proper value from the manure residues.
Maybe this belongs more on the forum, since it brings up the issue of what government intervention accomplishes, and how changing a traditional market has backblow...unintended consequences. It just seems to me to be one more instance of a federal government run amock, and messing up more things. If the goal was food security, it seems to have made our system less secure. Trucking the milk seems to be a lot easier than trucking all the feedstocks and then having the manure disposal issues.
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Re: From the parlor pit 9-02
Actually Red California has never participated in the Federal order pricing system that gave the "pricing policy" you talk about. Actually the driving force behind the increase in western dairy was three fold.
1. Cheap illegal immigrant labor.
2. the Community reinvestment act which allowed for huge increase in land becasue of Goverments drive to get more people to own homes.
3. a cheap corn/energy policy which allowed folks in a dessert to import feedstuffs for less than the cost of production.
All 3 of these are now over.
The Cali model is finished.