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How Germany kept its factories open

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1258458201688887303/photo/1

while keeping the 'Rona death rate at a fraction of the US.

This is marketing related- actually of the utmost importance to the livestock industry.

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Re: When....

When the 80% of the employees of the meatpacking companies are immigrants, refugees, migrants both legal & undocumented (40 different languages),  the packing companies have previously considered them completely expendable and concern for their health & safety not worth any effort or the expense.

   Now suddenly, when the workers they need to keep that plants open are becoming infected at rates comparable to Italy or New York City and their replacements are locked in immigration jails or waiting in Mexico, the packers are faced with the real prospect of not have enough cheap replacements to keep going.  No American citizen  in their right mind will work in those places so there's no alternative but make those available work sick.

  All trump's executive order did was to relieve the packing companies of any legal liability for the workers who got sick or died.

  In contrast, the Germans look upon their employees as their fellow citizens and care enough to create working conditions that minimize the risk from coronavirus.

  Please don't have any illusions that the American companies will ever consider their employees as anything but expendable to be used up and thrown away.

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Re: I wonder if ....

I wonder if trump realizes yet that the very people he has been maligning and villainizing for the past four years are the same ones he needs to keep the packing plants open and running?

  More to the point, I wonder if his supporters do?

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Re: When....

Lotsa different time frames there beginning with breaking the meatpacking unions in the 80s, which farmers generally approved of.

But in the shortest time frame, a pandemic had long been anticipated, and there are massive emergency plans and briefing books on the subject. My guess is that there probably is something in there somewhere about meat plants because those things are beyond exhaustive.

If the millions of hours across dozens of agencies didn't identify meat plants as a critical point I'd be surprised. But it should in the future.

But we did absolutely none of any of it anyway. That's all stuff that has to happen at the Federal level.

If you haven't read Michael Lewis' The Fifth Risk, I'd recommend it. It was disturbing to read when it was first out but would drive you absolutely insane to read it now.

Anyway, this isn't even The Big One, so I'd suggest the meat "industry" not be permitted to get caught flat footed next time.

 

 

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Re: When....

To your second post, no.

All I see across RW social media is heightened hostility and cruelty.

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Re: When....

Won't begin another thread so as to not poke anybody's sensitive eyes out.

Whatever all was in the pandemic playbook that wasn't used anyway, another thing for the future book would be emergency measures for food (1 in 5 households in desperate food circumstances vs. stuff rotting everywhere).

Pay the potato growers something OK for their spuds and send them to food banks, etc.

Harder to do with more perishable items like meat- where slaughter capacity was the constraint. That's why action there needs to be pre-emptively ahead of the curve.

Similarly, the only reasonable thing to have done for milk was to buy it up and give it away.

All of which is a pittance compared to what we've spent, and actually does some direct good for both the recipient and the producers.

I know that giving stuff away to people who haven't "pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps*" is anathema to some but all in all it is for the better. At minimum, if decency isn't a consideration.

*and never took a dime of that darn gubmint money.

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Re: When....

There's a lot to be learned both from our own successes and failures and what did and didn't work elsewhere.

Unfortunately we've become so exceptional that we think we don't have anything to learn.

If "capitalism" was going to fix everything then we shouldn't have intervened with extreme socialist measures for the financial sector. Just let 'er rip. Which you know we weren't going to do in  million years.

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