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Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
Was just chatting with Marketeye yesterday about these reports yesterday, how they surprised a lot of folks and how the markets reacted. Seems like the numbers being surprising to many was what drove the resulting price action. But, the trade seemingly already had the data largely factored in.
In the last few years...I think since the big March report in 2007, if memory serves me right...we've been in a "USDA report-driven" market. Seems like the reports punctuate and mark time for the markets, ultimately serving as the basis for any major price movement.
Seems like a few years ago, a report like yesterday's would have caused way steeper price movement than it did this time around. So, what do you think? Are we moving out of this USDA report-driven era for the grain markets?
Jeff
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Re: Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
??????????
Did you miss the corn market??????
Went from 3 1/2¢ up to 18 1/2 down due to that report.
That was a 5.8% loss of value, you wanted more?
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Many comments have been made over the years on this site about the USDA-report impact on grain markets. Their information gathering and reporting process is respected, generally trusted, and necessary to maintain an unbiased reporting element for the factual component of the information they provide. That said, in this time of vast availability of information, multiple sources public and private, and the speed of information transfer, it is still incredible that an actual report has any relevent element of surprise sufficient to move the markets on any given day. The element of surprise should indicate some type of breakdown, bias or discontinuity in the flow of constant information, from either public or private sources. The movement over the years of the USDA reports, from a primary timely source, to more of a source of confirmation of already known information, is a good thing. Yet, that still does not explain the surprise element, other than the psychology of trading known information, then trading it again when USDA reports it. Otherwise, the market is saying "oops", USDA is right, and we were all wrong, or the opposite. The reports themselves reflect neither supply nor demand changes during the day of the report. It should have no immediate impact on local current cash prices. It is the projected or forecast element of the reports, the crystal ball factor, be it in acres not yet planted, yield not yet known, anticipated demand or usage, projected ending stocks, etc., that impacts perceptions of future elements that impacts futures market prices today. Thus, it is this projection or forecast element of the reports that seems to cause the surprise factor, has become less relevant over time, and again, this is a positive development.
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Re: Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
It had an immediate price impact here.
Btw yesterday's price movement in corn would be equivalent to the stock market moving 1000 points in a day .... mostly down.
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Re: Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
USDA report era over? Three words.......I hope so.
They have proven over time that these reports are never correct.......they can't be because these numbers are a moving target. You don't like these numbers? Just wait until the next report.
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That's true, Hobby. But, when's the last time we touched a daily trading limit, on either the upside or downside, because of a USDA report? A few years ago, that wasn't that unexpected a price reaction. Of course, that's when prices were much higher than they are now. Is it just proportional price reactions staying intact, or is there lighter reaction now?
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Great thoughts, WCMO. So, maybe the production data USDA's enumerators glean is solid, but the more speculative stuff like prospective acreage and export projections are the ones that throw a wrench into everything?
Or, is it less USDA and more the market's sort of narcissism like you say? Just like somebody drinking a six-pack of light beer instead of a six-pack of fully-leaded so they can cut back on their beer belly...it's still a six-pack of beer, right?!
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Re: Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
The report days have for sure been market movers. We always have the conspiracy theory guys thinking the USDA is out to get them by reporting inaccurate numbers, ON PURPOSE. I would submit that maybe the numbers are closer than some would admit. The big moves are driven by those traders that tried to out guess the numbers that guessed wrong and got caught. It isn't any different than the guy with a bin full of grain that guessed the market would move higher and was wrong? Also, I always find it interesting we get the majority of the conspiracy theory whining on DOWN market moves, but pretty quiet on UP moves!
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amazing. The comments I'm reading and hearing. Hollering about this report, yet later on, a report is holy of holy and
correct and everything tanks.
You know, with humans getting out of trading, isn't it time we get out of the usda also ?
something is wrong........
i think we have been sold out into something, what i don't know yet, and we were not smart enough to see it or too empathic
to fight back and say no.
i urge you to play when the man comes around by the late johnny cash.....set back in the recliner, listen, and also think
about the markets and agriculture, and perhaps society in general.......
warning......this may be disterbing to some viewers
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Re: Is the "USDA Report Era" over?
IMO, the intentions reports released by the USDA provide little to no value to the producer other than an occasional selling opportunity, but even that has been very seldom? We can intend to plant 100% of our acres to a certain crop, but at the last minute decide to split plant 50% to 2 different commodities? What value do intentions really hold? When I was 8 years old, I intended to be a MLB player.
Final acres planted reports hold some value, but only if they are accurate and how do we measure the accuracy?
The existing stocks report just doesn't have any deemable accuracy. Seems they are always finding or losing bushels here or there to modify the numbers to closely match what the "Traders" are guessing. They can add or subtract some bushels to stimulate and immediate price movement one direction or the other.
In a nut shell, I just don't see how any of these reports are a real benefit to the producer. By a producer I mean someone actually producing the grain and selling bushels on the open market. For the trader these reports would probably provide some real time profit/loss opportunities. As a trader you don't care if the price is moving higher or lower, you just want to be certain your open positions are on the correct side of the current movement set in action by the report.