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News from the Chinese Congress

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/22/china-pledges-to-uphold-phase-one-trade-deal...

“We will work with the United States to implement the phase one China-U.S. economic and trade agreement,” Premier Li Keqiang told an annual gathering of Chinese lawmakers in Beijing on Friday. “China will continue to boost economic and trade cooperation with other countries to deliver mutual benefits.”

  Apparently, the Chinese are being more sanguine about trump's rhetoric than you might expect.

   This is kinda remarkable because of the extreme "nationalist" sentiment being expressed both here and in China. But you can't help but be concerned because China's response to Hong Kong could (and should) be a deal-breaker.

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Honored Advisor

Re: News from the Chinese Congress

China`s economy has softened, they make their money selling cheap junk around the world and if the rest of the world (mostly the US).  They have to import food, president for life Xi doesn`t have enough bullets to control 1 billion + people if they`re starving.  They may be quietly looking to build a food reserve so it won`t come to that.

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Re: More than likely, ......

More than likely, they're looking at the catastrophe that's unfolding in Brazil caused by Bolsanaro, South America's "trump" and wonder if there'll even be any agricultural production to buy.

  Keep in mind, if relations between the US and China get bad enough, they won't be importing any US beef or pork.  You won't have to worry if the packers can process your pork or not, it won't be needed.

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Re: More than likely, ......

Sold to "unknown destinations"  Vietnam is sure buying a lot of soybeans and pork these days Smiley Happy  3yr old child Xi can have his tantrum and run his purchases through a middleman.  Water runs downhill.

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Re: Xi isn't the 3-yr-old here.

Xi isn't the 3-year-old here.

How's that hydroxychloroquine working out for you.  Please don't depend on it to keep you safe.

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Re: Brazil

Here`s some "cricket questions" :  If President Trump handled the Coronavirus crisis exactly the way president xi of china did, would you praise him? 

Should a society only be judged on the way it handles a 0ne in 100 year pandemic, that did not originate in their country?

Can you say with metaphysical certitude that a "Obama" a "Hillary" a "Biden" or fill in the blank "other" POTUS would have a lower death tally?  

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Re: Brazil

Thanks Bruce ....... but Andy is a little out of reality in his thinking........... 

The idea that Brazil has a health care system for its population is nonsense.

Brazil like china has 40+% of its population enslaved in a labor force class that is not part of the 

"cared for" citizens..... A situation envied by the trust fund class in America.  But not similar to the US system.

He seems to think the whole world lives just like the US, under some sort of bill of rights.  Brazil will take the same drastic measures as China only when the problems of the lower classes threaten the ruling class.   That is the real "social distancing" much of the world exercises.

His thread reminds me of a trip to mexico where a cab driver told me how the education system in Mexico is just like in america.  In response to more detailed questions I learned that they did not need busses, because only the students within walking distance of the school(5 miles) were required to attend schools.  And to a question about indigenous populations in the mountain regions he stated that they are the same.... If they do not live remotely they are required by law to provide schools equal to the mexico system. ----- And who inspects those schools..... "They are required to do that as well."

The virus will run its course.  We will chart the deaths mostly among the weak and poor.  Many People will develop immunity.  The world will move on........  Except for those who don't feed themselves, they will stand at the waling wall and gnash teeth over the woes of the world..... Gmo's, glutens,  factory farming, viruses, deaths among children, elderly, etcetcetc.  And ignore the funeral service of their family members, while they ignore the fact that every baby born will die of something.  The real choices we need to make is how we live.

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Re: Brazil

Some expert somewhere observed that by late summer there may not be enough prevalence of the 'rona to carry out the wider scale final human trials that are necessary- assuming anything is to that point by then- a big assumption that most think is extremely optimistic. Probably not as big of a leap but also a considerable assumption that the US will be in a lull by then.

There's a whole big ethical policy thing following some botched human trials that big pharma has done in the third world in the past, but Brazil would likely be a perfect place- the favelas are a great petri dish if it continues roaring through them, as it appears it will.

Although Lord knows about the politics when you have a denialist President there, vax hysteria spreading worldwide etc.

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Re: Brazil

I think that you can say that in any normal administration the urgent warnings coming from multiple channels would have resulted in some policy action- earlier and better.

BTW, a hypothetical $1T and 20K death hit under a Democratic administration would have led to calls for revolution from Trusted Sources.

$3T and 100K and counting, hey, #### happens. 

 

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