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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Scouting area crops

Rain is predicted Thursday and if that really does happen, it`ll be "just before it`s too late".  My beans are flowering and shin high, handling the drought better than the corn.   I thought my corn was handling things pretty well, but yesterday afternoon it was really appeared to want to "go into the light".  I will say Pioneer Aqua Max seems to be holding up the best.  For a guy who usually cusses the rain, be careful what you wish for.

Here`s a typical picture of some Mankato area corn, the farm received .9" on Sunday, on the way home my corn didn`t look a whole lot better. 

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WCMO
Senior Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

Leaf curling is okay, for a while.  It's when the corn turns from green to grayish that it's on the edge.  Have also found a strong correlation between a 2-inch depth 90+ degree temp, and serious problems.

timetippingpt
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

Excellent enlightened add there WCmo. This is one of the reasons our ugly no-till cover crop corn looks rough in early June but fantastic in late July.

sw363535
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

I would have never correlated that coming from a dry hot sandy climate where all corn starts out looking like that until the roots get down.  Using cover crops to eliminate the excess moisture problem and encourage deeper root travel---- 

We just see cover crops as a way to throw away a vital 2 inches of spring water.  We don't have excess....

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

Corn doesn`t like to have a bad day in it`s life, corn around here have had a few already.  The no-till and cover crop deal is a sore subject locally for many.  They were hit hardest with the frost and with the uncharacteristically dry spring, that cover crop drank precious moisture.  Now, i`m not saying next year and the next 20 that the no till/cover guys won`t be geniuses, but this year wasn`t.  

It seems deep tillage has to be at least a rotation into the cropping to get the nutrients into the root zone.  Strip tillage is good, but isn`t that basically putting on your starter fertilizer on in the fall instead of with the planter?  Then you get a wind and residue blows over the berms anyway.  It`s good to have the option in a wet spring of going over the whole field with a digger to open it all up to dry out.  

36 and 48 row planters the starter fertilizer  isn`t practical, but pouring the holy grail of crop removal  fert in the fall and deep tilling it in, is .  Put the plow back in plowdown   🙂 

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erikjohnson61y
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

I don't know about a plow... Around here, some guys moldboard plow and some chisel plow. Fields look beautiful, if you like the look of bare dirt. But the problems are many....

 - If it dries out, wind erosion is a big deal. Your best dirt ends up in the ditch (or on your neighbors field)

 - If it rains too much (and sloping ground like around here), you'll be bouncing through washouts when you spray and combine. Again, the best dirt is in the ditch (or down the creek).

 - Even more precious than water is organic matter, and flipping the dirt over with the plow exposes all that OM to oxygen, and *poof* no more OM. (Prior owner plowed every year, 1% OM in the soil. After 20 years, I've got it up to about 3.5% - makes a YUUUGE difference).

To fight compaction, I do a deep till rip after beans every other rotation (every 4 years). That's one shank every 30 inches (takes about 40HP/shank) and goes down 20 inches.  Corn roots go down, hit compaction, go sideways until they find the trench, then down to China they go! Then I try to do only one tillage pass ahead of planting each year. I did 80 acres east of my house last fall, and that corm looks way better than across the street going east, north, or south. (We have higher magnesium soils here, so they compact easily.)  This works for me, but everyone has their own system...

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

High yield pioneer Herman Warsaw had a moldboard plow with "mini moldboards" I can`t find a picture, but basically take a torch and chop off about 10" of the moldboard and it leaves the field trashy while burying the fertility 8"-10" down.  To me the half buried stalks wouldn`t blow in the road ditch like these other expensive methods.  To get the organic matter, the microbes need the food from crop residue, if it lays on top, the "bugs" don`t get to it, if it blows in the neighbor`s field that only builds him humus.   But one of Herman`s many secrets was burying the fertility deep, deep chiseling, ect.

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Hobbyfarmer
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

Somewhere I have a set of six of them for my 6-18 white plow, never got around to putting them on.

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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

No hurry or anything Hobby, but if you`re interested in selling them, I`d pay cash.

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sw363535
Honored Advisor

Re: Scouting area crops

I have reread this title more than any other ....... which isn't saying much ----- the board struggles.  But I wanted to encourage Erik and note that I think Herman had a lot of influence.

Erik,   Thanks for these comments and I agree although I have not been able to make the changes you describe.... I have over 60 years of soil samples on fields and have not been able to change OM that much..... But I have had some success with minimum tillage or no til.  Our best OM is 1.3%.  most is below one.... but still has seen a 25% improvement over years.  

Great description and reasoning.   we do similar. and see the benefits   strip til. deep with half the required fertilizer. 10-12 inch rip humped back for a seed bed.  Surface watered in the other half.  water enough to push it all down some.  Always notice how even a 3/4" rain will find that rip location and soak to the bottom.

Herman's thoughts were tried and adjusted for us as well..... had some great perspective to root action and fertilizer placement, in a time when the options for doing what he wanted were few, he was very innovative.

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