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Hey John -- if you have any trouble with beans seed -- give me a call , i still have a few Clarks and Williams 82 left -- LMAO

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Faust, all I'm going to say is good luck.....

 

you obviously don't understand seed patent laws.......that or you just don't care.......which is your own prerogative I guess......

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2012-11-28/dupont-sends-in-former-cops-to-enforce-seed-patents-c...

 

also google bowman vs big m............into sure if its been ruled on at the Supreme Court level yet, but I'm guessing it will go in favor of big m...........

 

 

there will be two giants out there patroling now.........

 

by the time public breeders get access to the free trait and get It into new lines........we will be into another era of trait stacks in soya.........

 

if you are spraying glyphosate, I'm guessing you probably better have some seed tags to show what soya you have........

 

and FYI, they are off patent in Canada now.......so here's your chance.....

 

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MT - I keep the tags every year.   This controversy is going to be interesting to watch. I

am sure a year from now we will know what can and can't be done, come 2014.

 

 

 

 I got the sales pitch last year that there was no RR1 seed avalable for this year. I am not sure anyone is allowed to benefit economically from a seed with a trait (i.e. RR1) by adding new traits, when they knew at the time of introducing those traits they were precluded by their licensing agreement with Monsanto.  It is going to get interesting.

 

One more thing . . . kinda bothers me . . . It is my understanding that if a company can no longer provide seed with the "patented traits" they claim to have introduced, then a farmer has the right to plant that seed if he held it back, since the seed is no longer classified as a variety held for resale by the seed company.

 

If that is true, then if a variety is no longer offered (an old number) by the company holding the patent, then it has been abandoned, since a farmer can no longer purchase the variety with those traits.

 

Golly . . . if the weeds have all grown resistance to glyphosate that what are these plant breeders whining about?  It appears to me they are again misleadng the public telling us RR2 seed is better than RR1 was.  

 

As far as not caring about the law, you are wrong, that is exactly what I am concerned about, and the abuse of that law by plant breeders and seed companies.  I think the Monsanto victory is pretty good case law establishing the illegal violation of licensing agreements.  

 

I am not worried about the seed police, all they have to do is to make sure that before they enter upon my property, those they represent, did in fact sell me those products they find in my fields.  Otherwise they will be wearing little orange jump suits in the County Jail.  

 

Life is too short to worry about those who violated their agreements (and may have defrauded all of their customers by doing so) to try to enforce those fraudulent acts in Court, or trespass upon private property in pursuit of that objective.   

 

The Plant protection act is a joke. It is part of numerous acts addressing property rights in plants.  Have a great day. John

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MT - I think Viagra is off patent too in Canada. LMAO!   John

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Good luck!!!!!!!!  Smiley Surprised

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I'm just going to pick all the soybeans out of that large bag of party mix I bought for the big game this afternoon.  At the price I paid, probably not much cheaper than getting seed from my dealer.  Smiley Very Happy

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Do not know about other companies but I sold monsanto 19000 bu. of two varieties this year and have not raised seed for them in over 15 years. The reason they were wanting them is because they knew they are going to be short. We hauled them 158 miles to cleaning facility They bought beans further away than us because they are very short . AND YES GERM IS DOWN ON CERTAIN VARIETIES.3832 germ checked 78% after 3 treatments,4632 were better at 85% afer 1 treatment.

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nitefarm - I wonder what seed tag those beans will end up having on them? lol. John

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FAUST  I do not know what the tag will say but seed was delivered to HURT SEED CO.in HALL TENN. and MONSANTO wrote the check.