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Thanks Ben!

Oh there is lots to say about this latest offer.  Ben loks nervous tho. I wonder if he was told to do something or look for a new gig?


THe funny thing is the driving force behind QE is to get the housing mkt. going ergo then the whole economy will get moving.  Problem is we actually have a birth rate that along with our immigration rate keeps us at stagnent growth.  THe housing boom began as we had Demand for more houses. Without an increasing birth rate our whole focus will need to be away from housing and onto the world mkt.  THis QE does nothing to address the lack of population growth which in fact makes for the demand we all need.


But anyway. I am real busy and this policy change will have severe impacts on us going forward. 

The Fed Panicked

Here is the Fed Open Market Committee’s announcement of November 25, 2008 announcing the implementation of QE1, a $600 billion bond purchase program:

This action is being taken to reduce the cost and increase the availability of credit for the purchase of houses, which in turn should support housing markets and foster improved conditions in financial markets more generally.

On March 18, 2009, the Fed announced a second phase of QE1, expanding the program by another $750 billion to bring the Fed’s total to $1.25 trillion for the QE1 program. The Fed noted that:

Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in January indicates that the economy continues to contract. Job losses, declining equity and housing wealth, and tight credit conditions have weighed on consumer sentiment and spending. Weaker sales prospects and difficulties in obtaining credit have led businesses to cut back on inventories and fixed investment. U.S. exports have slumped as a number of major trading partners have also fallen into recession. Although the near-term economic outlook is weak, the Committee anticipates that policy actions to stabilize financial markets and institutions, together with fiscal and monetary stimulus, will contribute to a gradual resumption of sustainable economic growth. …

In these circumstances, the Federal Reserve will employ all available tools to promote economic recovery and to preserve price stability. …

On November 3, 2010 they announced another round of quantitative easing called QE2 in which they purchased another $600 billion of longer term Treasurys:

Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in September confirms that the pace of recovery in output and employment continues to be slow. Household spending is increasing gradually, but remains constrained by high unemployment, modest income growth, lower housing wealth, and tight credit. Business spending on equipment and software is rising, though less rapidly than earlier in the year, while investment in nonresidential structures continues to be weak. Employers remain reluctant to add to payrolls. Housing starts continue to be depressed. Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable, but measures of underlying inflation have trended lower in recent quarters. …

To promote a stronger pace of economic recovery and to help ensure that inflation, over time, is at levels consistent with its mandate, the Committee decided today to expand its holdings of securities. The Committee will maintain its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its securities holdings. In addition, the Committee intends to purchase a further $600 billion of longer-term Treasury securities by the end of the second quarter of 2011, a pace of about $75 billion per month.

On September 21, 2011 the Fed announced Operation Twist in which they extended the maturity dates of $400 billion of their Treasury portfolio in order to drive down interest rates and to “support a stronger economic recovery”. The Fed’s reason:

Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in August indicates that economic growth remains slow. Recent indicators point to continuing weakness in overall labor market conditions, and the unemployment rate remains elevated. Household spending has been increasing at only a modest pace in recent months despite some recovery in sales of motor vehicles as supply-chain disruptions eased. Investment in nonresidential structures is still weak, and the housing sector remains depressed. However, business investment in equipment and software continues to expand. Inflation appears to have moderated since earlier in the year as prices of energy and some commodities have declined from their peaks. Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.

Recall also that the Fed has kept the Fed Funds rate at almost zero rates (ZIRP) since the beginning of the 2008 crash.

Today, the Fed announced an open-ended purchase of “agency” mortgage-backed securities of $40 billion per month at least until the end of the year, which along with its Operation Twist purchases, amount to $85 billion of such purchases each month. Again they wish to “support a stronger economic recovery”. Their justification was:

Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in August suggests that economic activity has continued to expand at a moderate pace in recent months. Growth in employment has been slow, and the unemployment rate remains elevated. Household spending has continued to advance, but growth in business fixed investment appears to have slowed. The housing sector has shown some further signs of improvement, albeit from a depressed level. Inflation has been subdued, although the prices of some key commodities have increased recently. Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.

 This time the Fed added some significant wording:

… If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability. …

The bottom line is that the Fed panicked. It is extraordinary that the Fed would announce an open-ended “we’ll print as much as it takes, as long as it takes” policy. Chairman Bernanke is sending a signal to the markets and to government that the economy is bad and getting worse and that the Fed will do its part as everyone expects them to do. This is a clear signal to the markets and the world that the Fed stands for monetary inflation. They don’t know what else to do.

As we have long been telling readers, unemployment is the key to Fed policy and they have formally made it their policy linchpin. As far back as May, 2011, on Fox Business News I said that Mr. Bernanke has no other real alternatives other than QE and that with rising unemployment, he would be pressured to “do something.”

One may ask why none of these policies have led to economic recovery. Why didn’t QE1 work? After all they told us then that it would promote “sustainable economic growth”. By the time QE2 was released we heard much of the same thing: it would “promote a stronger pace of economic recovery”. Had QE1 worked as they said, why did they need QE2? Now the Fed tells us again that another round will “support a stronger economic recovery”.

That begs this question: If QE1 and QE2 and Operation Twist didn’t work, why would QE3 work?

The quick answer is that it will fail like its predecessors.

I discussed this at length in my February 14, 2012 article, “Is This Recovery.” In that article I anticipated that the following things would happen:

1. The economic “good news” is largely based on fiat money steroids and will not last without continuous injections of new fiat money into the economy.

2. The last injection of fiat money (QE2) is already wearing out and money supply is most likely declining.

3. A declining MS will result in further economic weakness (stagnation) and flattening-to-increasing unemployment.

4. This is likely to occur in Q2-Q3 2012.

5. As soon as unemployment goes up again, the Fed will announce QE3.

6. The dollar will continue to be weak.

7. It is likely that price inflation will continue to be “modest” (as the Fed sees it) in light of ongoing real estate related asset devaluation. This depends on the amount of QE.

The article thoroughly discusses the reasons why the economy is stagnating and why further rounds of quantitative easing will not change it. One of the charts from that article (shown below) attempts to show that each round of QE has been less effective at boosting nominal GDP. The vertical bars show the dates of QE1 (orange) and QE2 (light blue), the money supply (TMS2- aqua-blue line), and GDP (thin black line with its own scale [left]). The result is that economic growth measured by nominal GDP has been largely illusionary.

The truth is that GDP is not a very good measure of economic growth, at least when the Fed increases the money supply through QE. Since GDP measures spending, if new money is injected into the economy, there will be more spending and thus GDP will increase. The second point is that “printing” money never creates organic economic growth. In fact it never has at any time in history.

What can we expect the consequences of QE3 will be?

 1. Money steroids will give a temporary boost to the financial markets as evidenced by today’s euphoric response to the Fed’s announcement.

2. The impact on organic economic growth will be nil even though it may slightly increase GDP by Q1 2013.

3. Unemployment will remain high.

4. Economic growth will stagnate, if not decline, through the remainder of 2012 as money supply growth declines (TMS2).

5. Post Q1 2013, economic activity will again stagnate, assuming there are no policy changes or political changes (Romney is elected).

6. Europe and the rest of the world’s economies are in decline which will further depress the U.S. economy.

7. Price inflation is a guessing game. My guess is that it will remain within the Fed’s parameters. The key to price inflation will be credit creation through lenders and, while lending has shown some life (mainly the big banks with big companies), it is likely to flatten again as the economy stagnates, thus inflation will remain “Japanese.”

8. Interest rates will remain around their historic lows. While the housing market is showing some signs of life, its recovery largely depends on job growth which will remain subdued.

9. How much QE is a good question. I cannot see that any Fed chairman would print endlessly to a point of high price inflation. That would require much greater amounts of QE-type monetary stimulus plus it would require banks to lend, which means businesses would be willing to borrow, thus expanding credit and money supply to much higher levels. QE is not an efficient way to price inflation, and in a stagnating economy, borrowing will remain flat.

If you are a true believer and feel that the Fed is correct, you have to ask yourself hard questions about your assumptions since the Fed has been consistently wrong in their forecasts and policies. Now they insist on pursuing the same failed policies. Why would they work now?

The Fed continues to follow the same wrong policies as it has since the beginning of this depression. We now have one of the longest depressions in history that has been caused by the Fed and the fiscal policies of the Bush and Obama Administrations. They are devaluing the dollar, destroying capital, thwarting growth, and cheating savers out of their hard earned money. It is a cruel blow to the 23.1 million un/under-employed in the U.S. who need economic growth to create jobs. We need a new direction.


THis article is for all non believers.



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Senior Advisor

Re: Thanks Ben!

So JR, when you have a sick cow and you give her a shot and that doesn't heal her, do you opt of another shot or a third? Or do you decide after one shot that treatment was worthless? 


This economy is not an exact science and what the other side is proposing will make your cow worse.

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FWIW, I have a friend  (nominally a republican) who is even kookier than I am although he is sometimes spot on.


Anyway, his take is that the reepubs got to Ben and got him to light oil toward $150 before the election.


He is correct that basically the Feddies had other means to keep the stock market from tanking for 60 days. Not necessarily so for keeping oil down.


On the other hand, gas prises have a sharp and disproportionate impact on economic confidence and you do have to admit that when stripped to the bones the republican platform is pretty much all about keeping fossil fuels at the center of the economy.


Anywya, for those who think that Obama pulled a fast one, maybe not.

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Good post JR.  That whole birth rate issue is one you rarely see anyone acknowledge or talk about.  The demographics created by excessively low birth rates, that is below replacement at 2.1, in Europe, Japan, and China for example are setting them up for some huge problems in the not so distant future.  The US is knocking at the door of that also with a native birth rate below the same level.  Immigration is the only thing keeping that chicken from roosting at the present.  The implications of this are huge in every arena imaginable such as economics, politics, and social structures..  Our modern view on children and family has huge problems for sure that we won't be able to ignore forever.  The elevation of 2-career families, people marrying and having kids at older and older ages, and simply the thought that a family shouldn't have more than 2 kids is very destructive to a society long term.  We are not a child-friendly culture anymore, but rather an ego-trip for self-centered adults as evidenced by the advancement of homosexuality, abortion, no-fault divorce, and so many other things that are absolutely devastating to families, children, and society at large.

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Whether that is utter fantasy or not there is one thing for sure- if some such play meant that you or other stockers get run into insolvency in the next 6 months, nobody could care less.


I'm also becoming of a mind that the grain guys are also pawns in some game, just pawns who happen to be on the right side of the board, for now.

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Re: Thanks Ben!

Actually Krafty with the increased regulations and tightening drug tests. I rarely give a shot to anything. By the time you give the shot,pay the vet,dump the milk and then hope she lives tillyou can cull her. Well it's just better to keep an eye out and let em go before you do any intervention. Wish Bernake would have figured that out. We would be outa this mess by now.


That means instead of injecting money into the sick banking business he shoulda just let it get culled out by the market.


But hay Ya gotta give ben credit for the ole' college try!


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Re: Thanks Ben!

Hey Jr, it`s like the `Little Shop of Horrors` Bernanke plays the part of Seymore finding victims to throw into the maneating plant  Who knows, if Ben squirts enough ether into this engine that`s firing  on 5 1/2 cylinders maybe he`ll get the unemployment rate to 8% at the next jobs report and 8% is pert ner 7% right?  Especially if enough of those out of work, give up.  Then 4 more years of "Blackhawk Ben"  Yippeee!   ...Romney/Ryan 2012 ..and I approve this message.

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Re: Thanks Ben!

To the sick cow analagy.

If you give her a shot, and she doesn't get better, you give her a second shot.

If that doesn't help her any, would you give her a third shot of the same thing, or perhaps try something different?


Personally, I think all this QE is like giving painkillers to someone with a broken leg.  It might make them feel better for a while, but does nothing to actually 'cure' what is wrong with them, and delaying the proper treatment may actually make the initial ailment worse.

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BA Deere
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Re: Thanks Ben!

Peter Schiff would say "take our medicine and let the free markets work, it'll happen anyway at some point and be worse". Unfortunately "Take your medicine!" Isn't a winning campaign slogan.
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This was summed up by Warren Buffet  years ago by his own word of  ""  stag flation "" ---stagnet economy with lots of inflatioary pressure --- it always interesting that a lender would finance a residence for 30 years at a cheaper rate than farm land assets say for 15 years---and yes I've heard all of the lame brain excuses why ---also find it interesting that Bernanke and company get all this guff after Mr." irrational exuberance Greenspan " built the super highway to this mess ---I recall press release one after another the economy is doing great in the 2000 to 2006 erea and then comes along 2007 and owning several speculative houses was taboo --- the cards all fell down ---

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