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wrightcattle
Veteran Advisor

The oil spill

At Huntington Beach might bring electric used for driving on harder and faster now. 

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erikjohnson61y
Esteemed Advisor

Re: The oil spill

Yup. And few of those new electrified drivers will have a clue where their electricity comes from.

Note that I'm not against electric cars - electric motors are powerful and efficient. I am just against irrational, ill-informed decision making. 

At this point you cannot generate electricity without hydrocarbons, whether it's the steel in the wind towers, the mining equipment for copper and rare earths, or the rubber insulation on the wires. The green "revolution" will be no such thing - it will roll out gradually over decades.

k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: The oil spill

Kinda,  like  the  Eisenhower  Interstate  system ,  which is  updating to this day  - - - 

wrightcattle
Veteran Advisor

Diesel

Is the flavor here. 

Granted it was better back when we has Real Diesel fuel. 

I think batteries will eventually evolve.  

Now battery vehicles appear to be a huge waste problem. 

Jeez the Tesla semi has over 20,000lbs of battery. 

What does 1 do with the batteries? Right now they run about a 3 year lifespan. 

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rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: The steel from hydrocarbons?

  Not far from me is a "mini-steel mill", It exclusively uses scrap steel for feedstock and electricity for the fuel.  The electricity is almost entirely from cheap hydropower, either locally or from Canada.  The only "hydrocarbons" involved are the scrap car tires they use to adjust the carbon content and recycle the steel tire cords.  It has done wonders toward getting all the scrap tires picked up.

  I don't think you can make the steel from hydrocarbons argument.  I would guess a good deal of the copper required will come from scrap as well and was smelted years ago already.  You probably can make an argument  about cement though.

    As far as things like rare-earths and polycrystalline silica go, keep in mind that once fabricated into solar cells the energy produce doesn't require any further hydrocarbon supply, unlike an internal combustion engine.

  But as rough idea of what the hydrocarbon cost to smelt the polycrstalline silicon goes, it takes 84 kg (184 lb) of coal to produce a kg of purified silicon but that kg of silicon can make 1/3 of an acre of solar panel (16400 sq ft).   That 1/3 of an acre of solar panel can produce about 7,500 kwh per day (roughly), day after day, year after year for a minimum of 25 years and then be recycled with only a nominal energy cost.

  There is no doubt that the hydrocarbon cost to solarize & electrify the transportation system will use far fewer hydrocarbons in the long run.

  None whatsoever.

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wrightcattle
Veteran Advisor

Re: The steel from hydrocarbons?

There's a ton of earth in the valley of sun so to speak.... Solar makes alot a sense 

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rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: Regarding semi's and farm tractors

At present we're using about 8 million barrels of gasoline per day compared with 3.7-4 million barrels of fuel oil and one million barrels of jet fuel.  It's obvious that we can get much of that gasoline out of the system with electric autos & light trucks.  Then we can worry about diesel trucks.  It's already pretty apparent what we need to do about diesel trucks, namely install diesel-electric drive with regen capability.  And it won't take much battery capacity to do that.  Take for example my hybrid electric car, it literally recovers almost all the gravity work used to climb hills and the acceleration work using the regen system.

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k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Regarding semi's and farm tractors

L  E  D   lighting  is just  the  preview  of  the  horizon  of  innovation ,  then ,   class  8  trucks  configuring  to  HYRBID ,  then,   hydrogen  has  it's  Wright  Brothers  kitty  hawk  moment   -   Then  short  your  fossil  fuel  shares  - - -     

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k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Regarding semi's and farm tractors

Virtual  Golf  Courses  will  come  around,   as  18  hole  oasis  in  Arizona ,   resemble  the  history  of  2  row  check  corn  planter  -  -  -

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Regarding semi's and farm tractors

Along the way to retiring fossil fuels- at least a 30 year road.

You can tweak the crack between products to some degree- also depends on crude type.

But at some point if you drop gasoline demand you’re going to have to cut fuel oil and jet fuel too.

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