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The plot thickens, it seems that trump may have spoken too soon.

From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-set-to-unveil-stopgap-bill-to-prevent-shutdown/202...

It seems that trump may not have had the legal authority to dole out that $30 billion after all and Nancy isn't going to give it to him unless she gets something in return.

Quote: "Aides following the talks closely said Pelosi initially denied an administration request to add routine flexibility to rules governing Trump’s farm bailout efforts, which would freeze his ability to dole out subsidy payments until after the election. Trump is using the funding, over which he has much control, to try to shore up his support in farm country, which has been hit hard by low commodity prices and higher tariffs he himself imposed."

And then: "Pelosi was also seeking a higher food benefit for families whose children are unable to receive free or reduced lunches because schools are closed over the coronavirus."

To which the Republicans reportedly refused.

Doesn't it make you feel good that the Republicans think more of farmers than poor hungry kids.  By the way, Deere, the $250, 000/$750,000 limit starts all over again with this bill so all you BTO's get another whole bite of the apple. 

 

 

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Re: The plot thickens, it seems that trump may have spoken too soon.

Not arguing any of your points and don't know how it will work if they have to close again but the local school district here made and delivered the meals during remote learning last spring.

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Re: The plot thickens, it seems that trump may have spoken too soon.

Let`s not have a CFAP 2.0 at all.  We`ve already had MFP and CFAP 1.0.  China has had their comeuppance and are buying so we have a rally that`s pretty darn good.  We`re feeling good about punishing small refineries taking away the waivers...but brain fart! ethanol`s problem all along was $40 oil.

36% of farm income is government payments, so let`s just forget about any more Uncle Sugar.  Take that $30 billion and finish the wall on the southern border. 

Joe Biden is saying we all ought to "haul chicken manure" that guy ain`t right in the head.

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

As for "punishing the refineries", you can't call it punishment when they took something that wasn't legally theirs  to take.  That's like letting bank robbers keep the money after they rob the bank and get caught.

And Oil's problem isn't the $40/barrel, it's carbon pollution.  A gallon of raw gasoline generates 20 lbs of carbon dioxide when burned and given the extra 16% of the oil/natural gas to extract, refine, & distribute that's 23.2 lbs per gallon.

  In contrast, given our current system, the total life cycle carbon footprint of corn ethanol is 8 lbs of carbon dioxide per gallon, if we made some improvements to our current relatively sloppy processing systems we could get that down to 6 lb, and if we bothered to scrub & sequester the carbon dioxide coming off the fermentors and distillation columns we could easily get that down to (-1) lb of carbon dioxide per gallon of ethanol.

  Our problem is that we're simply not being paid for the true value of non-fossil fuel.

  As far as Uncle Sugar goes, since the Great Depression and Second World War the Commodity Credit fund has been an important & effect tool to stabilize farm incomes during emergencies that affect agricultural markets.  It was never intended to be used by an administration to buy votes after the administration's own colossal policy failures like trade wars and the failure to manage a pandemic.  If the public & Congress perceives that the fund is being abused for overtly political purposes like this, they will lose patience, refuse to fund it, and it won't be available when it's really needed.

  As for Trump's Wall, it will be a monument to the worst president of the United States of America.

 


I met a traveler from an antique land.

Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

 by Shelley

 

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

Rick, you guys that claim to support the environment, yet out the other side of your mouth want all kinds of "free trade" either aren`t understanding the issue or just want to destroy the country on purpose.  Because i never hear you chastise the heavy polluting ships that bring that cheap walmart crap into this country.  Did you know 15 of those ships create more pollution than ALL of the CARS in the WORLD?  See, another unreported expense of free trade and getting an extra dime for your beans.

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cargo-container-shipping-carbon-pollution-114721  

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Shipping produces more carbon emissions than most countries and pollutes the oceans. Will slowing vessels or making them electric do enough? Mark Piesing reports

Every day the clothes, tech and toys that fill the shelves in our shopping centres seem to arrive there by magic. In fact, about nine out of 10 items are shipped halfway around the world on board some of the biggest and dirtiest machines on the planet.

It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars. The emissions from 15 of these mega-ships match those from all the cars in the world. And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to global CO2 emissions.

Most of the pollution occurs far out at sea, out of the sight and minds of consumers – and out of the reach of any government. Now, an alliance of environmentalists, researchers and industry organisations, as well as ship owners and builders, fed up with the sluggishness of the industry’s response to its emissions problem, is attempting to do something about it.

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We wouldn`t at all need a border wall if:

1. We followed the immigration laws.

2. locked up mayors and city councils that don`t cooperate with immigration agents and call their city "a sanctuary city".

3. End promises of "amnesty".

4. Clarify the 14th amendment so there is no confusion that it isn`t a "anchor baby loophole". 

You do those 4 simple things and we could save a lot of money and no wall would be necessary.

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

BA you’re wasting your time and energy trying to talk sense to him, he HATES Trump period. Has harvest started in your area and if so how are the yields. Thanks 

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

Hey Nitefarm, there are a few cutting beans but going around the green stuff.  Those with earlier than 1.7`s will be rolling in a couple days.  Mine are 2.2`s and later still have leaves, which is fine with me.  Hand shelled corn blacklayer and 24%.  Here corn and beans will be ready at the same time.  I`m thinking have fire extinguishers charged, tank of water and disc at the handy.  

How`s it going in your area?

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

We started shelling corn a week ago at 21 percent  and stopped yesterday evening to move corn out of the cooling bin to storage bins. Corn here in western Ky is really good but the test weighs are 4-5% points below what we usually have (59-61) that makes a big difference in yield. We haven’t cut any beans yet but I have heard of some really good yields at coffee shops from reliable sources. It will be about two more weeks before we have any ready. We have about a 50-50 split between full season and D C beans and we need a rain to finish the late beans out. Hope your yields are what you wanted them to be and that you have a safe harvest. 

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Re: "Punish the refineries"?

 I think you need to check your figures, here's an article from Phy/Org  (https://phys.org/news/2018-12-cargo-ships-emitting-boatloads-carbon.html) that puts carbon emissions from ocean-going vessels (including cruise ships) at 3% and below is a pie graph from the EPA that puts total emissions from the total transportation sector at 14% (https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data). 

  As far as international trade goes, your argument is that there should be no trade because the fuel is too dirty.  Your argument ignores the possibility of using clearer fuel to transport goods.  There's nothing saying you can't run ships on renewable fuel.

  Besides the logical extension of your argument is that we should close all borders, land, or otherwise because it requires fuel to transport goods across borders.

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Re: The plot thickens, it seems that trump may have spoken too soon.

Can’t imagine who doesn’t qualify for free lunches at this point.  

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