The wrong forum, but maybe the right audience and needs to be said.

[BA Deere]

We always have had "socialised medicine" show up at the hospital, they have to take care if you, don`t pay and the doctor/hospital eats the bill and passes it on to the rest of us, it`s been that way 30 years     And now free Covid-19 testing and they`ll take care of you free too 

In "socialising the airlines" what does Biden say?   I`ll bet he has no problem other than he`s not the one doing it      So, we have a socialist running that will take my AR-14, open borders, free college....ah more "free healthcare"?    Or we have a "socialist" that`ll let me keep my AR-14, close the border, no free college and...continued "free healthcare" that Democrats aren`t satisfied with?    I`ll take the second socialist option, please.   

For those of you that can`t see beyond the nose on your face, here`s the deal.  We are going to have a recession (2 negative growth quarters) okay, now that is out of the way.   Let`s say the government doesn`t "socialise" the airlines and we lose the air travel industry, how in Sam Hill do we get out of a recession without planes flying...business, cargo, mail, leisure travel for the hotel industry?   This is the 21st Century you know.  

The government socialised General Motors temporarily and got out of it (I supported it).  If we want a soft landing for the recession (some of you don`t unless Biden does it) we need the airline industry.  I would guess as in the past, the government would slowly divest and let the public sector take over when they get their sea legs.   The US government is the only option with the capital to save these very important industries and those of you against it, will only be against it until Biden gets in and then you`ll be all over it like a 3 legged dog on a cat.

[WCMO]

The trick is to shut or slow things down just long enough to "shift the curve" on covid-19, and not much longer.  The talk about shutting down for months, the rest of the year, etc., is total garbage, it won't happen, people will not allow it and most cannot afford it.  Even a month is likely asking too much for many/most people -- most can likely comply for a couple of weeks, many will not comply beyond that, unless they are actually sick or forced to do so.  It's just human nature.

Once the medical supplies catch up, hopefully with some excess capacity, and hopefully within a couple weeks, then people are going to move on with their "normal", perhaps timidly or carefully at first, but they will do so unless they are prevented from doing so.  Hopefully, the "social distancing" factor remains for awhile, that will help, but that still doesn't help the airlines, cruise lines, restaurants, schools, churches, etc.  And, that is why a lot of focus has shifted to avoiding financial armageddon.

[sdholloway56]

Sure. And bail out The People Who Matter. Moral considerations aside, it doesn’t work.

[WCMO]

If you're replying to me, I actually didn't mention anything about bailing out anyone.  I read somewhere just in last day or two, an opinion piece with which I agree, think it was Mike Rowe (the dirty jobs guy), will see if I can find it back and post a link.  Basically, hits on the issues of addressing the current health crisis, yet recognizing the need to balance that with the possible costs, both human and financial.

Mike Rowe, with a down-to-earth response, describing what many are thinking --

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/3119126308097491?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARANdItKHGXLk6hq4C...

[sw363535]

it  is an interesting discussion.... pandemics have been my reading the last few days... .... I did not realize that the plague of the 1300's continued somewhere around the globe for over 350 years.  It cut the population of major regions of the earth in half at least three times.

The flu outbreak of 1918 an9 1919 especially since it was blamed on kansas like a bible verse quote taken fully out of context for political effect.   And Especially since my father in law treated victums continuously through his service in the army.  The only direct information I know is that the flu was present here and already present everywhere they went.  I do know that they were not allowed to list flu as a cause of death to service men as both sides restricted information that would make their armies appear weak.  Troops had it refugees had it and civilians had it.  Can you imagine treating strong cases of the flu in large numbers without antibiotics, hanging all your hope on keeping the victom alive until the virus ran its course.   Fact is they did not treat them they isolated them and treated others---- I keep reading these articles that talk around the issue of where the spanish flu began..... But reading a little history so my mind does not think "out of context" I got a better view of what it meant to be an Oklahoma U. medical school graduate in 1916...... From his records and from general information.  Treating the flu was a depressing job of letting death take its course and doing what you can to quarantine from the healthy.

The difficulty of determining where this strain of flu started was extreme because "the flu" was always present.  I backed up to a year prior and picked the year 1900 because it seemed like a less active flu year and this is what I found  

In 1900, the top three causes of death in the United States were pneumonia/influenza, tuberculosis, and diarrhea/enteritis. Communicable diseases accounted for about 60 percent of all deaths.

in 1900 the life expectancy of males was 45 years... The effect of that 18 month outbreak of a new mutation of the virus was to drop the male life expectancy to 32 years of age.  We see these crazy half cocked claims by  internet frauds that heart disease and cancer are on the rise for eating habits or any fool claim, when the truth is those statistics are fake.  Before the advent of antibiotics we didn't live long enough to see what comes with age.

In fort riley Kansas during this flu outbreak black soldiers from southern states suffered extremely more deaths that the majority white soldiers..later determined that the southern states are fly over country for migratory birds and have a far lower population of swine.  White soldiers from corn belt regions had hardly any deaths because they had encountered  similar flu strains before and had some immunity.  I saw that noted again in one of those reads presented in this thread.  But remember this..... during the outbreak and the deaths in kansas's little bit of that epidemic, political hacks concluded that the weakness of their racial genetics caused their deaths.  Today CNN and the Washington P would be blaming trump for the deaths of those disadvantaged soldiers.

We are so fortunite to live in the era we do.  And we do not deserve it.

[k-289]

Totally  ignore  it ,  and  see  what  happens  ,  or  call  the  Ambassador's  office in  Italy  - ? 

[BA Deere]

Yeah, that`s the big thing now Lib-coms blaming the Spanish Flu on Kansas...might as well blame them for over production of corn too      But, in 1918 they had absolutely no idea what they were up against, see there was no social media back then.

But here are some facts about our "friends" the Chinese.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8116481/Coronavirus-infections-China-slashed-95-meas...   

snip:

• More than 170,000 people globally have already tested positive for COVID-19 
• The infection has claimed the lives of  6,512 people around the world 
• Introducing social measures stopped infection of 7.6million Chinese people 
• But had strict restrictions been implemented three weeks earlier it could have stopped 95 per cent of all infections in mainland China  

China's swift enforcement of quarantine and stringent social restrictions following the COVID-19 outbreak prevented more than seven million people from catching the virus in the country, scientists say.  

But a study claims that 95 per cent of all infections in mainland China could have been prevented if the country opted to implement restrictive measures such as social distancing and case isolation three weeks earlier. 

More than 170,000 people have currently tested positive for coronavirus globally and 6,512 have died.

By the end of February, in mainland China alone, the number of COVID-19 cases totalled 114,325, the researchers estimate.  

[k-289]

Betting  on  China's  numbers ,  gives  me  little  financial comfort ,  and  if  wasn't  an  election  year , the message  from  D C  wouldn't  be  as  alarming  - - -

Irrational  Exuberance  of  the  2017  Tax  Act  ,  is  now  on  display ,  with  the  95%  of  the  working  class  paying  the  bill with  401 K  collapse  and  minimum  earners being  laid  off  -  -  -

Times  like  this,  reminds  US  of   have , and  have  not  protections ,  so  get  your  own  Learjet  60,  and  forget  that  terminal  congestion  and  shoes  off  policy  -  -  -