Those high priced inputs

[OKdon]

Will remain high priced until consumers aka farmers.refuse to buy them at set prices. Those of you that plan to substitute ordinary low cost hybrids better get them ordered because there are thousands of farmers looking for those same money saving opportunities. You gotta buy seed because you can't get by pulling it out of your grain bin.

Fertiizer you can skip because evidently fertilizer isn;t very important when you are trying to cut costs due to low grain prices. However if you don't need fertilizer when crop prices are poor why waste the money when crop prices are high?

WHATEVER will they do with all those GMO hybrids stacked in the seed company warehouses?

[kyu2852570]

Coop guy here today pushing fertilizer and I said no way will i chase that stuff this year. He did talk like he had some takers tho.
Just remember if you buy the cheap non gmo corn you better be scouting it often and it will require some sprays with a plane, which need to be penciled into your budget. I grow seed corn and the herbicide program is more expense than a rr program can a sams club corn make 275 like pioneer can with a 62 # test weight?

[Shaggy98]

Never grown Pioneer corn, but if it is anything like their grain sorghum it is way over priced.  Pioneer is loosing lots of ground in my area mainly sorghum seed sales, but WTH is sorghum.  

[sneeky253]

Haha...........Finally calling milo by its proper name Shaggy!! I'm so used to reading US forums that I had nearly started calling it milo.

[Shaggy98]

I saved $19 per acre on my starter fertilizer for my winter wheat by merely switching from liquid to a dry blend.  It might come at the expense of my custom guy however, he traded his box drill for a new air seeder that has a dual compartment commodity caddy.

[BA Deere]

Well, you have to weigh if a fertilizer application at these high prices will affect your yields MORE than the grain at low prices.  And every farm is different, if you have good fert levels you won`t notice a difference in skipping a year.  If you can get by, that`s $85/acre less expense....or 34 bushel  of $2.50 corn.  Fertilizer will either get cheaper for the 2016 crop or corn will get higher or you`ll be broke anyway and none of this will matter  🙂   To put a finial nail in our coffin a socialist like Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders might become president too  🙂

But with seedcorn, you`re basically looking at $40 per acre more corn planting a plain Jane conventional over a minimal traited corn.  If you have bugs to spray...you gotta figure that, the traited corn has latest genetics where conventional is older genetics.  Conventional corn has less spray options.  But if you don`t have bugs and super weeds, you can save $40/acre or cost of 16 bushel of $2.50 corn. ...I chickened out and booked the high priced stuff...hey if I`m going down it`s gonna be with style.

But the input companies aren`t going to cut their prices just because we say things are tight on the farm, they`ll have to actually see their sales go down and we are in a "global market" now.  Maybe other counties can justify high priced fertilizer better than us, Monsanto always sold them cheaper seed than US farmers.   

[farmerguy89]

There's always a response to IF wheat fertilizer regardless of test or temp: roots proliferate out the gate. At least that's what the scientific data I got has to say.

That's great that your on dry now shaggy.. Just don't waste anything on mesz or anything else: we can't get a postive response here ever.

I'm cutting back slightly on fertilizer for wheat myself.. 15#k v 25-30. 30-40p v 50-60. Tests are fine, but it's time to start mining.

[Shaggy98]

89, 40 Rock is very popular through air seeders in this part. We just blend a little urea with it to boost the N up to the amount were looking for. I'm thinking the MESZ you're telling me to avoid is exactly what we're using.

[farmerguy89]

It may be popular because it's less messier on the air lines. Especially if you leave the tank full.

Everybody is doing stuff to save I guess.. Guys w liquid nachur that doesn't accumulate mess on the corn starter side going to 10-34 even though you have to be sure your clean and empty of 10-34 to be able to work.

[Shaggy98]

I guess I didn't realize some dry fertilizers were messier than others.