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sw363535
Honored Advisor

Todays data ....or the lack of it

Some comments on the "Snout Counts" and another on Feedyard reminded me of a July21 discussion that began with sd hollow leg saying we are in a reality situation where 190 bu corn was and is true for 2021.   Facts are we know now that was not true then or the this year either.

But I distinctly remember Ray Jenkins and Time both disputing the "sd" assumption of data and asking for references.  Which in true sd form never came and the final entry presented usda's chart of their guesses at corn yields year to year..... 

Not factual but based on "Sim Farm" data which you too can manipulate and declare as fact to all those who might think you credible.

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This was the chart entered by WCMO at the end of that discussion that stopped the discussion.... after popspoppe stated that the US had produced 190 bu corn 4 of the 12 years between 1992 and 2004.   

There are a lot of good acres across the US and at least 5 states that have areas that produce extreme yields with expensive water, non of which are in the corn belt.   But looking back at that discussion in 2021 time has taught us a few things.

1.  There are those who contribute to Marketing that deal in fake news intentionally and memory needs to deal with them..  

2......And from the way Feedyards are buying up the grain coming off the combine at +$2 basis, there is a panic viewpoint to supply and a serious concern for economic stability in the coming months.  (While unit trains are arriving from the north on October 1st 2022....designated to end users). My guess is the new crop is 30 to 40 %. out of the supply chain before harvest is over.

3....... USDA data is no better than a guess and has no communication with Harvest or the actual product.  FSA personal can't help they have been converted to a police force and confined behind plexiglass or in line for the latest buster shot.  This data source is and was well off the mark the last two years on either production or demand is very under estimated.  

IMO ---- both.

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So you tell me..... Western ks irrigated was 15% destroyed prior to harvest(pollination),  Dry land was 0 to 12 bushel/a production on the 12% of acres harvested.  Harvested irrigated is yielding 100 bushel below normal yield on the few good acres being harvested--Rest is below that.  If Illinois produces 300 bu corn, the Texas & okla panhandles, Western Ks & Colorado irrigation will keep it well below that 172 bu average.

Rain has been less than 7 inches and very spotty in the last 17 months.  Dry land is sitting with whatever it has for vegetation-- hoping the wind is gentler this coming year.  No real hope for anything in 2023.  Most are out of water and the Water Tsar in Topeka says no you don't, not before March 2023.

Mostly I want to point out how far off the usda data has been for the last three years.  We were out of corn prior to harvest.... I would say August 1....... Panic buying ever since............. when in normal years feedlots are covered for 60 to 90 days going into harvest.... New crop usually moves beginning January 1..... unless it is sold at negative basis at harvest.

This is a different ball game.  If you owned a feedyard with cattle contracted would you borrow more and load up on all the corn you can get at harvest at $8.40/bu? or wait to see what corn is in February(possibly $14 when Cargill, etc owns most of it.  Someone who hates Rich Farmers will probably blow up the train tracks for extra credit at Berkley before February.  

IMO. this years yield will be below 160. Harvested acres below 75 million

 

 

 

 

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roarintiger1
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

If the USDA never prints those numbers, the traders will never trade those numbers. 
Just keep watching the basis numbers. Those will tell the tale. 

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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

I know I shouldn`t be "political", but what`s the deal with liberal trolls always trying to jawbone grain supply up and grain prices down?   The "other site" has the revolving door of Lib market gurus that take swipes at Reagan, Bushs and Trump.  The latest on the other site has a cat with the handle FA11 who "proves" that Democrats unlocked GPS for farmers to use (for planting straight) 😀.  I don`t get why liberals want farmers to have low prices all the time... what the hell is wrong with their brains? 

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clayton58
Veteran Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

BA. In answer to your question. Liberals want farmers dependant on gov programs to be able to make a living. There hope is that then we will realize that government is “good “and necessary and that we will become liberal also. Just my cynical uneducated opinion and likely only worth what you paid for it 

roarintiger1
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

Clayton,  It's not just farmers that those people want to have to depend on the government.  It's everyone. 

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k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

Political  conversations  seem  to  lose  their  luster , when  confronted  with  those  subsidy databases we have to explain of  E.W.G.  = = =

Humble  Pie ,  super  size  ,   I'm  reminded  , of  from  my  taxpaying , urban relatives ,  each and every database = = =

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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

Well, they should want high priced grain and dairy so the program payments and ad hoc disaster payments don`t kick in.  The best way to NOT send the farmer gov checks is to keep us profitable and they won`t even know we exist.   Food magically appears in the grocery store...Shazam!

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k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

While  those  price  fixing  lawsuits  -  frivolous  - settlements  are  made  public  = = =

  E  W  G  might  look  into  the   ''''' futures contract  holders  ''''   of  say  heating  oil  ,  and  devise  how  many  barrels  they  have  '''' need  of  protection ''''  ON   -  MAYBE ?  ?    

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sw363535
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

Women run some things as we all know and it is not right that they don't treat others with any level of equity.  If your conservative you are told to not show bias(be political)..... yet they(socialists) can be as racist as they choose to be and as politically promotive as they want.

Problem is right now, the world and the grain markets are teetering on political decisions world wide like the Climate fear green energy decisions .  So try to point out the effect on the markets and maybe we can hold on to "reason" until it looks like the election goes conservative then it is off to the internment camps of Colorado for our opinions on Markets.  We have 3 weeks of sanity "left".  

The article is right unfortunately, and we harbor a big threat to peace here in the US.  And Peace is the key to having food to eat world wide.  We have those in our education system that would like to see the conflict in Eastern Europe escalate, world depopulation, hunger,  endless bureaucracy..................just my opinion through observation....

The farmer thing ----- Farming harbors conservative lifestyle, independent wealth(even modest wealth is above the level of "equality" progressives have in mind for those who pick crops).  But it is more.  It is independence of nature and not having to depend on a federal employee to approve.  The animosity toward independence of lifestyle is a badge to wear in political circles.  Followed by the disdain for those who are dedicated to something beyond a time clock.  Work ethic that is passed on to children seems criminal to those who take pride in authority without physical activity.  It is "Rich Farmers" who get the point of the dislike, and it is not just financial, it is Rich in character and Love of family and a faith in anything  other than a dole from DC.

sw363535
Honored Advisor

Re: Todays data ....or the lack of it

289. Don't get lost in someone else words........its just propaganda..... EWG came from a group that wanted to control the usda budget...... nothing more.....   it was a mark in time that told us that usda is no longer about food supply the US, commodities, etc....   From that day forward it was about welfare, finding the minorities in agriculture politics and policing and controlling the programs to weed out those who don't need enough, promoting climate and environment philosophy., co2 and carbon credits........party platform.

Next time the family is together just smile and look around.  Try to find the real reason they don't farm, or don't like farmers.  In my family is falls back to enjoyment of work ethic, not dollars.

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