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Re: What your ivy league tuition is buying
ZMAN I thought your ending was funny I thought about it though and having gone through dairy mgt. classes at MSU I felt I needed to correct you on your course name.
It's T I T IE TUGGERS 101
Repro was called FEEL N ER UP 102
I think George bush would still have flunked however he would have tried hard to get r done!
Oh to be bipartisan Bill Clinton says he already would have clepped out from previous experience! HA HAHEHE!
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PAL and ZMAN I just wonder if sometimes we aren't looking at the south and of the horse and calling it the same by different names?
Corn going up is inflationary however the amount that corn has gone up still doesn't often cover the cost of inputs therefore you would say on the recieving end that your corn is inflationary but when you purchse you would say that your corn is deflated in value. Right?
My point is that measuring inflation our deflation in products is merly mesuring the symptom. Inflation or deflation is truly only measuered against the percieved standard that any moneies would be held acountable to. So we have a deflationary spiral in currency since we have gone off the gold standard. Right?
But this has caused inflation in the marketplace as our purchases require more dollars. So isn't that actually inflationary for the product but deflationary for the dollars?
Hope this makes sense. I am kinda tired so thoughts may not flow well. JR
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Dapper .... stop with the patronizing regarding history.
Hoover was a great man. He just didn't have the outlook to deal with the Depression. He was by far more liberal than most Republicans today as near as I can tell, and one of the great humanitarians of the century.
But he backed few efforts that involved monetary intervention outside of encouraging voluntary efforts by the private sector. The Hoover Institute identifies the Fed (fairly new at the time) with intensifying the Depression by forcing an unnecessary contraction of the money supply. Contraction - understand? It's not until 1932 that Hoover begins pushing a policy that would have addressed foreclosures and increased liquidity - too little , too late. Sound familiar?
Some other themes of the time that have eery parallels to today. At the beginning of his administration he supported a huge tax break, which combined with the falling incomes of the Depression to severely contract tax revenues. He then had to turn around and support a large tax increase to keep the nation afloat (because unlike some of the conservatism of today, he did believe in avoiding deficits). THAT sounds familiar.
The Depression was GLOBAL in 1932, and unemployment was near 25% in the US. The idea that the Depression didn't get bad until Roosevelt came to power is strictly current ideological revisionism because it doesn't jibe with the image some people want instead of the truth.
.....So, please, don't start with the BS of patronizing others knowledge of history unless you know it yourself.
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The argument is over all economic policy. Corn or grain as an item can go up or down and it is not inflation in the wider sense. It's just a response to conditions and markets.
The other issue is that we were on a gold standard when the Great Depression hit. In a modern economy gold standards and such are not a prophylactic. They have their limitations and problems.
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Raw industrial material prices taking out all time highs in the face of massive unemployment can only happen during periods of resource constraints. The truth is very simple for those of us who have been stating this repeatedly since 2004....
THERE NEVER WILL BE AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY. Not as far as the general economy is concerned. Because oil flows, coal flows, and rare earth metal flows are lower every year and will always be lower, the consumer will become crushed by high commodity prices every time the Fed resarts the economy.
This time, there is no North Sea to crush farmland prices.
Japan is a terrible model to compare the USA to. Japan is a producer country. The USA is a net importer. Hyperinflation only hits countries with a trade deficit. LLatin America compares much better to the USA. Cash = trash is such places.
Hoover was an FDR-style interventionist, and tthe great depression is the result.
Harding was president during the biggest market crash/deflation/money contraction of the 20th century. He did zero to intervene. Nobody remembers that quick depression because it came and went. Harding's Lassaiz-Faire policy spared the country a lengthy depression.
It was the New Deal that guaranteed the 30's deflation would not see a recovery with FDR in office.
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Zman, wouldn;t deflation bail out the govt. by creating lots of less valuable $ to pay off back debts? It would be very unpalatable for the public with cash reserves. I do have a daughter at an ivy league school, JR. Not harvard tho...
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pal iwas not patroniizng you. at least did not intend it that way. history to a large degree is interpretation and you and i disagree there. you cited facts about hoover that are valid. i how ever do not suscribe to the fdr saved us theory. thats really all i was trying to say in a rather awkward presentation of my thoughts. d7
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