gmo's.......are we wrong ?

[crophugger]

Kinda like when the atrazine salesman came around 40 50 years ago and said it's so safe you can drink it.

[OKdon]

Isn't it just terrible when everybody doesn't agree with you? Here they are our customers that are selective about the origination of their food products. Your answer is they don't have a darn thing to worry about so shut the bleep up and buy what I'm selling.

Nobody is telling you to raise non GMO crops. They are telling you they prefer not to buy them and wish that you would keep your unacceptable GMOS seperate from non GMO products. Instead you take your grain to the local coop and they make no effort to keep them seperate. So it is sold to local people and to the export market as well and you're sticking your thumb in your customers eye. You're telling them that you know what is best for them and they should take it and shut up about it.

In other words, You're right and they are wrong and to hell what they think. Like a car dealer that loves V-8s and order every darn car with a V8 and that is just unacceptable to someone that wants an economy model. You're the car dealer that refuses to bend to accomidate the customer.

[ron.mich]

I've worked in dairy nutrition for over 30 years and there's nothing in GMO corn silage to cause it to be less digestible.

[OKdon]

You may be right but if your customer thinks you are wrong, he won't be your customer for very long. That what we are telling our customers. There is nothing wrong with what were selling so you must take it...or buy from someone else. So how many cars would you sell with that attitude?

[elcheapo]

When I was a kid my grandpa said if
it will kill a bug, it will kill you but
It would take more.

Fast forward to 2015.

"Oh its perfectly safe"

The fellow that made the comment about
how safe atrizine was, funny I've hurd
The same said of roundup.

I do think it will change (if its right the jury is still out) but the organic is gaining traction.
So if they want it and willing to pay, should
We consider?
The local wheat is below $5, organic over
$15.
Granted, it is a nightmare, and lower
yeids, and takes 3 years. If the satus que
continues, numbers could be interesting.
If they would allow a simple herbicide,
And some certs, would be far more
Better looking.

Where's your local tree hugger when
You need them!

Yogurt time!

[bkadds]

One observation I have made--the persistent individual who used to post about organic crops and how valuable they were has not been seen or heard from in quite some time. The postings by him received a rather lukewarm following.

[clayton58]

I'm considering whether to convert a quarter or two to organic. To take advantage of the price premium and to learn organic production proactively, before it's forced on us. A big drawback is organic means tillage, which burns soil organic matter and exposes the soil to wind and water erosion. Also would need grain storage and to redo harvest logistics. Is the premium worth the extra cost and labor, etc?

[Hobbyfarmer]

certification is going to be $900 minimum per year, some outfits also want ¢ per bu on top of that. Several company's to choose from.

I have some just cleared from trees land that has a nice buffer from any other field all the way around it I have been looking into. Local organic chicken feed mill has been paying $12 lately for corn. Simular land in another part of the same farm ran 180 bu in2014 with no fert but was sprayed. 

A flamer May be the best option for laying by.

I have a combine that can be a dedicated machine, just hides the back of the shed anyway. Already have the 4600 (I think that is the #) Buffalo cult. Mill will take it right out of the field as long as is is under 20%

[bikinkawboy]

I see nothing wwrong with organic if you can make it work for you nor do I see it as some kind of hippie thing.  When it comes down to it, my garden is all organic although I don't plan it that way.

My city friends have all heard the Roundup conspriracy and have questioned me several times.  Put very simply, Roundup works by inhibiting production of a plant protein.  Humans, other mammals, birds and fish don't have that plant protein (unless you're Popeye) and therefore doesn't affect us.  What everyone overlooks is how Roundup has made no-till possible and practical and the millions of tons of soil that has been saved through no-till. 

The problem is that most GMOs save or make the producer money and the consumer sees little or no benefit (at least in their eyes.)  Syrgentas "Golden Rice 2" is a GMO that unlike other rices, produces by itself vitamin A, which is lacking in other rices.  Southeast Asian countries where rice is the staple food that is consumed several times every day, night blindness caused by vitamin A defeciency is rampant.  If widely used, this rice could eliminate night blindness.  The problem is, how many urban people know about this GMO grain that is directly beneficial to humans?  I have yet to find any.  Better yet, how many people in the ag community know about it?  Likely very few.  I believe it was the June 2012 issue of Agricultural Research Service, a branch of the USDA by the same name that has more info on Golden Rice. 

And to get down to basics, how about tobacco use in humans?  When I was a kid, I used Black Leaf 40 insecticide in my garden.  The stuff is nicotine and nothing else.  And it does kill bugs.  Anytime someone questions me about the potential health risks of GMOs and Roundup, I bring up the nicotine subject.  When they're smokers, it's funny how quickly they shut up or change the subject of the conversation to something other than Roundup, Monsant and GMOs.

[sw363535]

I know that most housewives don't listen to a source like this but here goes------

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-...

And I found a contradicting opinion piece put out by the University of Maryland English Department --- no research sourced -- but lots of unverified data about ddt levels------- data had to be sourced years before conventional included GMO labels

But I enjoyed this ----- http://oklahoma4h.okstate.edu/aitc/lessons/upper/organic.pdf

It is a pretty basic training program put out by oklahoma 4H for classroom use and asks the reader to think for themselves and evaluate information....

I especially like the last page where it discusses evaluating of sources of information....

It also mentioned that certified organic production includes Bt as an approved, naturally sourced insecticide.  That is interesting.  Bt is the most improtant genetic modification in corn for the southern and SW corn production working against the Southwest corn boer.

It is a well presented -- open minded -- presentation on evaluating the study/

You moved to a good place Krafty.