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oncearound
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hey Art, just to help jog your memory

so how much more did ya short Art? come clean now Art we're all friends here.
Artifice
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Artifice
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Registered: 05-13-2010
Re: did Artiface short more wheats? 

 

adding sales if it pushes a bit more

artifice
 
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adfrom in
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This kind of posting is exactly why there are very few meaningful conversations here any longer.  The chin chatter here is nothing better than you would hear in a bar about round 4.  Rather than bash against a situation that has clearly gone vertical - what is your strategy?  What is your idea?  What are you doing to grow your profits, and push your farm ahead?  There are a ton of opportunities developing if you will take your eyes off the sideshow you can't control anyway.  Food for thought.  Good luck.

dapper7
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i agree. this is not helpful. i believe we have all been on the wrong side of a situation a time or two. i suspect there are corn and bean hedges put on in june believing the seasonal top was in that are under water now. all marketing programs or theories work at times but not all the time. the key is to realize early your plan is not working and shift but most dont because we are creatures of habit, habits built over the years of low volitity . that is not where we are today. who knew that wheat was to embark on a near 4 dollar run?(and could be 6 dollar run before its over). palouser came the closest that i am aware of but even he has to be surprised at the run. once you have made your point now let it rest. d7

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Palouser
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Yes, I am surprised at the intensity of events. But the events have been developing for some time and are still changing. Too many lose sight of daily progressions of events, convince themselves of some stereotypical view of the nature of a market. Such as 'the world is awash in wheat'. That I may have written in very large script and posted on my wall. It will go right beside 'the market is always right', and 'volatility is your friend'.

 

Some define risk in terms of when the sky might fall. By definition it requires playing futures to be  responsible in managing risk. The risks of the recommended strategies themselves are often not discussed as risks/costs - which is simply denial. The number of advisers blown out of the water this time is simply staggering, as it was the last time. Waiting and watching IS a strategy that can be as activist as any other strategy.

 

The best armed producer/marketer is the best informed on what is going on in his markets - globally. Having an advisor isn't enough, and sometmes too much. The prediction of production and price is no substitute for keeping track of the trends yourself in the very basic measurements of acres, production, inventories - here and abroad, and for this year and the previous years. You can always find someone to help with the technical stuff. Knowing the policies of the governments is valuable too, because most countries governments are very involved, especially countries that import larger quantities. I also recognize that some (like me) are more interested in this stuff than others.

 

Having a 'plan' is not worth much if you don't really understand what is going on. Marketing is not just math.

 

 

 

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"Marketing is not just math"

 

I think I'll put that on the wall.....deep thoughts.

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oncearound
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thanks for contributing AD, suggesting one is bashing and then you go on a bashing spree. how UN-hypocritical of you! lol

 

 

not that it's much of surprise i might add, i recall a few years ago when you attempted to "one up" me with old USDA numbers, you even had Don NMO believeing yours for a bit. then you said even Einstein couldn't remeber his own phone number in a feeble attempt to save face.

 

yeah, everyone needs those kind of contributions huh?

 

Art has a tendency to post as .......all knowing, no one has a logical point and seasonals always win out......type of style. how many years in the 2000s has the seasonals played rt out as Art would have everyone believe. so, i would assume you too( because you came to his aid with your one of your 1st  "marketing" post's fall prey to this once hailed market mantra? as i recall, old Art always had a "soft" spot for you anyway. LOL!

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Oncearound,

I like your post. Art had it coming.  Normally I would agree with AD, but not when it comes to Artifice!

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adfrom in
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That must have been years ago.  If you recall that, bully for ya.  Me - not so much.  Guess I have been too busy to remember every pizzin match.  What I do remember is why I seldom take time to even look here, and far less time to actually post anything.  Obviously, I also have a severe lack of caring.  As for any soft spots, or defense of anybody else - nope.  I think you read too much into everything.  My point was that grinding mistakes into people's faces, and constantly using the hindsight marketing methodology has destroyed the once good banter here.  I wish you the best. 

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DW11
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Ad,

 

I can appreciate wanting to keep the discussion as courteous as reasonably possible, but why do you choose to defend Artifice when he/she/it is far from civil and professional on a regular basis and drives people away from this board about as well as anyone.  Call up Art's jabs at Ken if you need a refresher.  If you don't recall, here are a couple recent ones to jog your memory:

 

scott warner? I think got shut down. He was running a scam.

 

Artifice

 

Where is short copper parabolic Ken?

artifice"

price time? there is no magicical systen out there, especially harmonica ken.

 

the fundanmental trend dominaites.

 

artifice"

 

All we have heard from Artifice is crops mostly grow, harvest spec length, the real price of commodities goes down through time, etc., etc.     Well, as we have seen, sometimes crops don't grow and sometimes commodity prices do go through the roof and rise faster than inflation and sometimes demand challenges our ability to supply. 

 

What was pritch, errrr I mean artifice, adding to our discussion that needed defending?

 

What is your strategy, idea, farm profit center?   Thanks in advance.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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oncearound
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i would wager there are more here than i that recall old Artie/Pritch coming to your defense and always praising your opinions . but yeah you probably don't remember, seems to be a nagging bad habit? it was just a mere coincidence that your 2nd post in the marketing forum was coming to his aid................so coy yet jejune.

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