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Re: no corn to mexico



Can see what you're saying.  First idea is that somebody just didn't put a number in the chart.  Of course, that detracts from the credibility of the whole website.  So, other idea is to seek another source.

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Re: no corn to mexico

yes those two years match with the amount I figured above about 690M bushels... 

but I did not research the original $2.6 billion figure...............


a couple of comments... you asked for and didn't 


the web site----- its acclaimed creators don't fair the search for "renown acclaim" too well....not household names,,,, and the site references on a search are the site itself and a few previous questioners to its integrity...

2 things come to mind in terms of golbal or large volume of data  1.  The obvious is easy to exploit and the details are very expensive to acquire.  And  3.  When amassing large amounts of people data, the governments and rich tend to be the ones handling, designing and using the data, and the poor reproduce and die too fast to ever get counted accurately and who wants to sit and count what they eat in a week, so wild guess theory is good enough for the rich.  Accuracy just adds cost to the project.


With that in mind, "fact" is any study of great numbers and areas should be taken with a fair amount of scepticism, the speed of sharing data is sweet, but does not validate the data-that is where climate science struggles.   we have a great example in front of us in this thread... I doubt the US numbers are real accurate and we are a little more sophisticated but we for sure leave out all the other ways we slip corn into their country hidden in a box of meat or tanker of high fructose.  And this guy interviewed contradicts his own governments data which is a little different than ours.  And of course CNN made the slight of hand to say 25% of gross instead of 25% of export which enhanced the story, probably not by accident, but an easy mistake to claim if called into court or if one needs to deny ones political biases wrote the story.


This Index Mundi data place has fun and interesting stuff but I do the same thing you did...... I look for ways it contradicts itself.


We can get lost in trying to define words ..... like "is"

But when there are numbers involved to enhance believability, lies are harder to hide... If the story needs data to sound better ....... question the data.

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Re: no corn to mexico

One other thing cheapo and BA


It might sound goofy but the NPR article even though kindly bashing rural america while it brags on the acceptance of others by the folks in the Garden City region, others who help us build our economy,  is accurate for the most part.  All those differing nationalities come through the insistance of the US government through our promises to the UN to take refugees so naturally NPR is going to tell it leaning to the left....... Luckily, Garden City is a great place.

And the need to deal with the border issue is accurate as well and the same folks in Garden City will be backing Trump in his attempt to regulate commerce of all kinds across the US and Mexico border.  


The Hutchinson Kansas jail had a convicted rape and murder mexican national for many months waiting on the attorney general in washington to make a decision.  Kansas would not release him to be deported because he had a history of being back in three days and Obama AG would not allow transfer to punishment in the US.  Some one may be able to correct the details but it was and is some difficult issues we face south of I-70.  Even the wild "Wall" answer will be better and inexpensive...... How many days worth of cocaine and heroin crossing that border would it take to build that wall?   maybe 19 cents a bushel worth.    Ohio..... number one killer of high school kids...drug overdoses.  ...   Wall is one thing enforcement of law is another.  We gotta start trying in washington.


And to Mike and Ishmeal,  

I know that us hard heads can get out of control, but this one thread is valid proof that you cannot seperate Politics from manketing....   And how disabled are we if we can discuss Mexico's politics and not the US??????

Please think above the politics...... you'll be a rare breed of journalist.



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Re: no corn to mexico

wcmo that site doesn't come up.



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Great information

Sw if only we had journalist writing like you just did in this thread. I don't think the irony is lost that farmers are being thrown everything is hopeless and now we lose Mexico exports right when taxes, rents, and some payments are due.  Thanks for taking the time to share with the rest of us.


You are one of the great mentors posting on this site.

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SA update...

one part of the story say production not lost, just quality.  Later it states already production lost.  I guess that is covering all the bases.:


The fields in Mato Grosso, Brazil’s top soybean producing state, have been so muddy that sometimes it’s almost impossible to walk through the rows of brown plants ready for harvest.

One week of persistent rain has soaked fields and caused beans to ferment and become engorged inside the pods, which have opened as the oilseeds also start to germinate. The damage was so bad that some farmers visited during an annual crop tour organized by Agroconsult, an agricultural forecaster, said that they’re getting paid only about a third of what they would if the season had been normal.

Mato Grosso is facing the wettest harvest in at least five years. The deluge has also given rise to weeds and insects, made harvesting more difficult and has the potential to boost transportation costs. While the supplies are still good enough for use in blends with undamaged crops, processors are paying farmers at a discount because of the quality issues.

That’s another blow to Brazilian producers who are already suffering through a multi-year drop in agriculture prices, currency appreciation and a recession in the nation. Soybean price to growers in Sorriso, a municipality in Mato Grosso, fell about 8 percent over the past year. Prices on the Chicago Board of Trade have climbed about 17 percent in the past 12 months.

Take the case of Ricardo Arioli, who planted 2,225 hectares (5,498 acres) with soybeans in the municipality of Campo Novo do Parecis. He delivered 480,000 kilograms (1,058,000 pounds) to a trading company that will process the crop into animal feed, or use it for export. His supplies were so damaged that he received payment for only 372,000 kilograms. Harvesting on his farm was halted for eight straight days amid the torrential rains, delaying gathering for 400 hectares that were ready for reaping.

Lost Production

“A significant part of the production is already lost,” Arioli said in an interview during the crop tour last week.

The story is being played out across fields in Mato Grosso, the tour showed. Sixteen participants, including agronomists, bankers and company representatives, trekked 10,000 kilometers (6,200 miles) around the state. The group was split into two routes: one traveled the state’s western and center regions, the other through the center and parts of the north. It was the 14th annual tour organized by Agroconsult.

While plenty of rain is needed during soybean growth, too much can lead to big problems for crop quality, including fermenting and germinating. Trading companies, which buy the soybeans, apply discounts on total delivery weight when damaged grains are equal to more than 8 percent of the cargo and the moisture level exceeds 14 percent.

Silvesio Oliveira, a farmer in the municipality of Tapurah, said that for one of his deliveries, beans were so damaged he was only paid for a third of the total weight.

The damaged oilseed can be blended with higher-quality crops, so the total production estimate for Mato Grosso should remain the same, according to Valmir Assarice, an analyst at Agroconsult. He expects soybean output could reach as high as 31 million tons, which would be a record. He estimates the country’s total crop at above 105 million tons.

Hurt Farmers

"Rains will hurt farmers’ profits because of the discounts applied, but will have minor impacts on crop volume," Assarice said on Feb. 17, after leading the company’s crop tour for four days.

Excessive rains may also increase producers’ expenses with transportation. Growers pay for freight from farms to traders’ storage facilities, a route that’s usually unpaved. Muddy conditions can stall and mire trucks, raising freight costs. The price of moving soybeans from Sorriso, a municipality where the crop is grown in Mato Grosso, across about 2,000 kilometers to the port of Santos, in Sao Paulo state, increased 53 percent since January 9 amid poor road conditions and increasing freight demand, according to Mato Grosso’s Rural Economy Institute.

When the beans have high-moisture levels, it also increases the time spent for drying resulting in long lines of trucks waiting to unload supplies that are still too soggy. That’s shrinking the number of vehicles available to take the soybeans out of farms. Arioli, the farmer from Campo Novo do Parecis, said he’s spent days waiting for trucks, and even offering extra compensation hasn’t eased the squeeze.

“Some deliveries are already late, and we’re warning traders that further delays may occur,” Arioli said.

(Updates with soybean prices in fourth paragraph. An earlier version of this story corrected the unit of measurement in fifth paragraph.)

To contact the reporter on this story: Tatiana Freitas in São Paulo at

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Simon Casey at, Millie Munshi, Robin Saponar

©2017 Bloomberg L.P.

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Re: SA update...

cheapo and our poor protesting motorhome elite women will not give this some real thought because it won't be seen on CNN and our press political action corps.  Here is some enlightenment on the border issue