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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

solar fields on farmland

The way it works these days in general- a utility needs to meet a renewable standard or something similar and a hedge fund or private equity outfit puts a pencil to a project and, wham bam, it happens. That is now increasingly an economically viable model even without subsidies or portfolio standards.

On the positive side, we lose hundreds of thousands of acres a year to sprawl, and at least solar sites aren't permanently disturbed to a large extent. After a 20-30 year life cycle for a project with bees and butterflies dancing under them, or sheep grazing, the sites can be returned to agricultural use if that's where things stand. That, as opposed to big box sites covered with asphalt, subdiivisions with the topsoil scraped off, etc.

A lot of communities (and particularly farmers) are balking. I don't know how anybody can really object to a solar field (as opposed to a wind farm) unless it is across the road from their house, but as I've learned from serving on a plan commission, somebody will object to anything because they can.

Anyway, from a land use point of view,  wonderful place to put solar installations is in urban areas- particularly down on their heels rust belt places with big brownfield sites, dying malls etc. I would think that people there would be extremely happy to have those huge additions to their shrinking tax bases if rural areas don't want it.

There are some technical considerations that I'm not fully knowledgable to answer. In the current (not really a) model, they just want cheap land- although they can pay almost anything and have it be a near rounding error over the life cycle of the project. But in particular, they want proximity to high voltage lines to feed wholesale power into the grid.

Inside an existing city, voltage is already stepped down and the high voltage lines just run to substations on the perimeter. Building high voltage lines is expensive, and a lot harder to pull off in an established urban area. 

So you're probably looking at a modified mini-grid system where most of that power is consumed locally- which still counts, it just needs to be accounted for differently than in the current (not really a) system.

And of course even though they're a little more expensive than grid scale projects on a KWh basis, dedicated systems for large users like schools, large hospitals, universities are a grand slam every day. You get to buy your own power at the wholesale price.

Of course the best part of our vast solar endowment is in the West and Southwest, where all you really need to do is fence out the Bundys' free range mutt cattle. 

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: solar fields on farmland

If a land area the size of KS can provide 100% of the world's energy needs (about VT in the case of just the US) and solar will never be more than a large fraction of the whole, this is not an insurmountable land use issue.

But it is worth trying to do right.

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rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

Putting up a solar collector farm doesn't harm the land any.  You can always remove it if you need to or the economics of farming dictate.  They don't even use concrete to anchor the posts.

  Just more Bundy's trying to tell their neighbors how to use their land.

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

Funny thing, fairly random.

I know a guy who has a very, very nice home in a newer subdivision. Not only is he particular about how everything looks but the "community standards" are such that you're a pariah if your lawn and everything else doesn't look perfect.

He and the neighbors have fits trying to keep their turf looking up to snuff.

I asked the Extension agent about that. He said, yeah. The first thing the developers do is scrape off the topsoil and sell it, then do all the earth shaping for the plan. Then, when they're ready to finish the house for sale, they come in and lay down sod (or sometimes just hydroseed) and, with irrigation and plenty of fertilizer it looks great for a year or so,

Until the fact that it is growing on subsoil becomes increasingly, and near permanently, evident. And of course the more they overfertilize, water etc. the worse all the turf diseases get.

 

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

Again, an electrical engineer probably can and should correct me if i don't explain this right.

But most line loss occurs from stepping up/down the voltage on either end. Distance is not the greater consideration once it goes onto the grid and needs to come off at the destination.

If you're consuming power directly from on site, you don't have distance considerations and you don't need substations to step the voltage up/down.

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

Also don't have to deal with the tragic Windmill Cancer considerations.

BTW, I feel like Bob waking up at the end of Newhart II. 

Was that just a dream?

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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

The problem with wind and solar isn`t getting people to sign up for it ($1,000/acre solar panel and $20,000/windmill annual rent checks) .  The problem is getting the juice from Thompson, Iowa to Chicago, Illinois  where it`s needed.  

I think those opposed to windmills are those who`s farms aren`t offered a piece of the pie, there you see signs like below.  Because in the competitive business of farming if you don`t have windmills and your neighbor has 5, who`s going to rent more land?

INDIANA WIND WATCH - Home

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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

The "radical left wish list" infrastructure bill addresses the grid problem.

Right now it is actually private utilities in IL that are blocking more IA wind power- because they're protecting their investment in higher cost conventional generation.

Gonna have to sort out some of this "capitalist" stuff- like TX has to. Or, like TX, you can just lie and hope enough people believe you.

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k-289
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Just think of it as CRP.

Privatize  the  energy  will  remind  US  of  the  date  April , 29  2014  in  Texas ,   with  a Chapter  11  Filing  in  the good  ole  boys  arena  of  $um,   energy  future  holdings  on  E  F  H  - maybe   - ? 

Then , event   2021 ,  attempt to  slip  out  the  back  door  bellowing  excuses , of  WIND  caused  all  it's  problems - - - 

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