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wt510151
Senior Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

To go back to "normal" living is simply not normal after such a tragedy so close. It sounds like the kids have not had a close relationship with either parent. Given that they were riding the ATVs in such a reckless way shows lack of discipline. Prayers are going out to help everyone after this death. It affects more in the community than the family.

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Re: Beyond Tragic

So sorry that your community has to confront this sadness, especially the children, who cannot help but see this as a "parents can die" realization.  Do not be surprised if your own get a little clingy, at least for a while. 

I am sure we've all seen situations where we wondered if an "accident" was truly accidental.   The fact is, you will probably never know.  Since she carried the weight of this little part fof the world on her tiny shoulders, he probably would not have harmed her.  Like you, I am most concerned for the children. 

 

When this sort of thing happens, I stop and ask why, then realize we do not get to know the reason.   

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chick06
Veteran Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

Oh my, a very special prayer for those children. Did you ever see any of her family come visit? It is not our place to judge, but we are human, and our brain does question things we see and hear. Please keep us posted on how the children do.

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ABCD Farmer
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Re: Beyond Tragic

I took food over on Thursday before I had to leave for 2 days to a convention.  This is less than 48 hrs since he found her.  His mother was there and another neighbor.  I took my friend who is a leader in the church that the family attends.  I told her what I thought before we went and when we got out of there, she said "I see exactly what you mean."  We didn't say much other than express our sympathies.  He started in on the whole story, then followed it with "we are sure gonna miss her" (a pause) "for a long time."  Then he said "I have a lot of decisions to make" and looked at me and said "you know what I mean."  I said that the economy had not been good to farmers.  He was talking about financial.  The kids were at the hired mans house and I asked how Justin was doing.  He said fine.  He said the 3 year old daughter understood what had happened and the oldest understood, but Justin and Joseph didn't really get it yet.  He said that when the deputy was there that night, the 3 yr old sat on his lap and the deputy and himself told her that "mommy wasn't coming back" and that she understood and hasn't asked about her since.

 

During this whole time, not a tear, never choked up once, not anything like you would expect.  Just kind of an attitude that its over, and its too bad, lets get on with it.

 

I can't get the pit out of my stomach.  A friend who has been over there feeding told my husband that their wives are convinced it was not an accident.  I know everyone reacts different, but if you stood in that kitchen, you would understand.  Time will tell.  At this point it is a closed investigation, but if her family gets here for the funeral tomorrow, maybe they will raise some questions.  Even if he didn't do it, he murdered her by negligence.  He could have walked out of the house and checked on her before 8 hrs.  It is just too bizzare.

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noxandrattles
Frequent Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

I can't get the pit out of my stomach.  A friend who has been over there feeding told my husband that their wives are convinced it was not an accident.  I know everyone reacts different, but if you stood in that kitchen, you would understand.  Time will tell.  At this point it is a closed investigation, but if her family gets here for the funeral tomorrow, maybe they will raise some questions.  Even if he didn't do it, he murdered her by negligence.  He could have walked out of the house and checked on her before 8 hrs.  It is just too bizzare.

You know what ABCD, I hope you are at peace with you God for writing  a comment like this. Because it wrenches me to think you could write words like this. These words show no compasion at all. Happy Convention.

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ABCD Farmer
Veteran Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

AMEN

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noxandrattles
Frequent Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

"Amen"   "The last word".       I sure hope so,

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turkey feather
Senior Contributor

Re: Beyond Tragic

I appreciate the update since I can't get this out of mind either. I sure hope the investigation isn't closed. You were in the house, I trust your opinion! Just by using the old Ben Franklin tool of two columns on a sheet of paper, the facts that the neighbors know point to a conclusion?

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Re: Beyond Tragic

I think that law enforcement personnel know how to assess a person's affect after an incident like this.  They do look for "appropriate" levels of distress and emotion.  As we say here in Carolina, "He ain;t quite right."

From what you have described, this guy has a lot of socially-inappropriate behaviors.  His reaction to losing his wife will thus not be the norm.  I am sure that there is reasonable course to feel suspicious of him, at least of neglecting her, and leaving her for hours to die alone.  That is nowhere near the level of "guilt beyond  reasonable doubt" that would be required to convict him of any crime. 

Fortunately, our courts do not presume us to be guilty.  I've heard it said and agree that I'd rather see an occasional guilty party go free than an innocent one serve time for someone else's misdeeds. 

You have described a lot of out-of-control behaviors in that household.  I'd honestly keep my opinions to myself about his guilt or innocence, but I'd certainly limit my children's involvement with that family to at your home or in groups elsewhere, not at their farm. You first responsibility is to prevent your own children from getting sucked into their sickness. 

 

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