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What is wrong with cops that they think they must shoot to kill unarmed folks?

Realize this is a sensitive subject. Seems to happen more in the south but it happens in the north, too.
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I have a pretty close young acquaintance who is a county deput in the next county. I worry about his safety, but also about the safety of anyone who challenges him in the wrong way. Law enforcement can draw some personality types that are not much like Andy Griffith. Some are downright cocky, arrogant, and aggressive. My young acquaintenance meets all three descriptions.

That said, even the nicest, most respectful person can react with lethal force when a perceived danger presents itself.

I disagree that this happens more in the South than other places...it just fits a stereotype when it happens here.
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I agree whole heartedly that there is a terrible problem between law enforcement and citizenry.

I think about an incident in our area

A gentlemen was arrested for riding his motorcycle drunk.

Problem was the police never saw him on the motorcycle.

Some one called in a motorcyclist down and the police responded.

The guy was drunk with his bike on a dirt roadway/driveway directly across the road from his driveway.

His story was the bike was giving him trouble during the day and he worked on it in his garage, drinking the whole time.

Then he tried to see if he had the bike fixed, he didn't have it fixed but got to the bottom of his inclined drive and couldn't get the bike back up the drive.  He said he walked the bike across the road to try and get up enough oomph/speed to get it back up his drive, but couldn't handle the heavy bike so he laid it down and sat down and that was when a passing vehicle called 911.

So the police arrested him, took him to the hospital for testing and he wasn't very nice about it and the whole thing ended up in court with him contesting that it shouldn't have happened.  Oh by the way this all occured just a short distance from a quite popular bar in the area.

 

My thought on it was "why didn't the cops just help him get the bike the 100 ft back to his garage and call it good.  I feel that probably 40 or 50 years ago that is what would have happened.

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You are right this is a sensative subject.   I have a nephew who is a policeman in a larger town/city.   It is not known as a  "good place to live".       He is such a sweet guy,  good husband and great father to 2 little girls.      He has had victims die in his arms,    He came up on a call for domestic violence to see the guy run over the woman and kill her.    He has lots of stories of  naked guys and gals.   He has shot his weapon but missed while he was falling to the ground.   The  subject had a gun and was firing it.      While falling to the ground he wrecked his knee.   The past week there was a police shooting an armed criminal in that city.   I said a prayer that it wouldn't be him.   Was glad to hear his name was not on adminstrative duty.     All he ever wanted to be was a police officer.  He is VERY BRIGHT.     Someday he'll be an excellent detective or investigator.       I also had a cousin that was a cop for awhile.   Knowing 2 cops makes me want to believe  the cops first.

Right or wrong the police officer is to be respected.   If he is wrong  get a lawyer and take him down that way.   Don't get tazed or shot just because you were right.     You could/are in the right... what do you want it to cost you?

 

On a similar thought.  Why do so many want to get out of jury duty?     If I was ever accused of a crime I did not comit  I'd want a jury of my peers.   Not a bunch of unemployed people or bunch of  old widows.    Serve if asked.    Just like voting.   Our county and state wasted alot of money yesterday  trying to make it convienent for everyone to vote.   We were one of the better townships  with 17% voting.   We were choosing school board members.   We had 67 voters.  I think 11 were parents of school aged children.     My fellow judge and I will be paid about  $100 each.     Almost $3.00 per voter.     We got there at 5:30am and I got home at  8 PM.  If I only count the 13 hours of the polling times  that is:   $7.70/hour.   We did have great food though.   We potluck and graze all day.    If I can give up a full day.  Voters can take a few minutes and come vote.  

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You are so right! I served on a jury as did DH. My jury was deadlocked because one juror had had a similar accident and one was pregnant and wanted to leave. Both should not have been on the jury. But when I looked out at those waiting to be interviewed for the jury it was very clear that I would not want any of them deciding my fate. Suey described them correctly. Too many people are disqualified as I am now for being an insurance agent, only one example. I can only image what the choices are now for jurors now.

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I think you and Suey point to what I think are two crucial issues.

First, that there is no longer respect for the office, which means each officer is treated with disrespect. Michael Bumpus wrote something recently about how his croticism of Mr. Obama might have been construed as disrespectful by a friend on FB. He brought out that point, about having to respect the office he holds.

I don't think very many people respect much of anything anymore, least of all themselves. Everyone knkws their rights, but forgets the corresponding responsibilities.

Second, your post points up the extremes that people are charged with today, that in former times, when commonsense prevailed, might have been helping the drunk get his bike back home, with a warning. We have, in our lifetimes witn ssed the Death Of Common Sense. There is a book by that title, and it speaks to just this effect...that a law is written now to try to cover every occasion, rather than relying on the doctrine in law of "a reasonable man".

We used to consider what a reasonable person would have done in those circumstances. Niw, it is a matter of how many hairs we can split, on trying to ckver every possible thing a human being might do.

I was shocked a few weeks ago, to see an arrest report for a 20- year-old, whose name I didn't recognize, to claim my rental house down the lane as his home address. He was listed in the newspaper woth charges of rape, threatening to burn or bomb, and several more scary charges. I called the detective we knkw well up here, learned the details, and that he is in lockup awaiting trial, not just next door, witha molotov cocktail and a match.

That was a story of the guy and his " baby mama" several miles away, so at least not here. After dealing ng with our last two dumbass employ es, and their social problems that became legal problems, I really a, not so concerned, even at the severity of these charges...there is just SO much drama anymore. Some domestic situations are horrendous, asSuey describes, and some are just people withan adtenaline addiction, who have nothin better to do than dial 911 and chock up the court system.

I would hate to be a cop, or as Suey is, related to a cop. It is a thankless job, constantly drawing you into the drama.

There is also a concern in some circles about the " militarization" of civil law enforcement in America. I think this really accelerated after 9/11. When we see a terrorist at every turn, the whole meaning of a " cop on every corner" changes in relation to that perception.

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My son is a State Police Conservation Officer.  Yes, some call a game warden.  But being a State Police Officer he has been occasionally called to the scene as hs might be closest to any disturbance.  He has been called as first officer when a man barricaded his family in & was holding them at gunpoint when he was a rookie.  He went undercover for an illegal clam fishing harvest.  This was a big case with the FBI and he was out on a small boat with these guys.  Scary for this mom.  They would have dumped him in the river as easy as anything.  It was a big multi state investigation and he was a key link, testifying in several federal trials.  And every hunter he inspects has a gun, that's a given.

 

I don't understand these suspects running.  And I don't understand why they need to be shot 8 times.  Not defending either side in these cases but there are too many out there with guns.  I do know that.  And as stated, there is no respect for law enforcement or much of anything else.  This country is in a bad state.  I try to think of the good folks but we sure don't see enough of that on TV.

I think two of occupations which are top of the list of disrespect are police & teachers.  I really feel for a lot of them too.

 

Re: jury duty.  I have been on & would again.  Ronnie got excused with the dairy and also his uncle was county sheriff but I think everyone should take a turn.  It is interesting and it is our duty.  Thanks for you service Suey.  And your right-we need responsible jurors, not someone just trying to get a little paycheck.

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Yes. Things are falling apart quickly.

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On that case where the cop shot 8 times and is being brought up on murder charges.  I have questions I didn't hear answered in all the coverage hubby kept on the television all day.  I understand it started out as a faulty equipment traffic stop.  Just how did the guy end up out of his car and more than 200 yards away from the vehicle.  Seems to me it almost has to be one of 2 things.  Either the guy really was up to something or the cop really is bad and simply wanted to kill someone.

Wish I could hear an explanation of the beginning and middle of the encounter not just the sad ending.

Really being law enforcement is a really dangerous job now a days, but I think people need to start being held accountable for their behavior and stop all this "there is just a bunch of bad cops around" thing.

Of course in any place the police are going to notice and stop certain types of people more.  Probably because most of the problems in any given area come from people who dress and act in certain ways.  And yes if you aren't the typical person for any given area law enforcement is going to notice you.

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Just saw this on 11:00 news. The guy was told to get out, then back into his car. He got out a bit later, and started running. This was when he was pursued and shot eight times, evidently mostly in the back...thus, the murder charges.

The account said he didn't have hisregistration...the stop was for a broken taillight. He also had a warrant out for failure to pay child support. Really a sad situation.

There was the police dashcam video, then the cell phones one. The first showed the guy getting into, then out of his car and starting to run. The phone video showed him basically being gunned down while running away. Investigators had apparently found that the shots in the back were " inconsistent" with the cop's version. Really bad....
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